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" And thou Bethlehem Ephrathah art little to be among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me, that shall be the ruler in Israel: whose goings forth have been from the beginning and from everlasting. -- Micah 5:2 -- 1599 Geneva Bible
Never miss an opportunity to miss a heavenly opportunity , while always seizing the ruler of this worlds pleasures.
You seem to have a poor understanding of the Biblical definition of what constitutes a Jew.
Birthplace Bethlehem = Part of Judah His Parents = Jews His Linage = Jewish Royalty line of King David & Solomon His birth, life & death = Fulfilled Jewish Messianic prophecies (including being born in Bethlehem)
How exactly is Jesus not Jewish?
Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father making all His enemies His footstool. He is ruling not only Israel but the entire world. ALL authority has been given to Him.
I know scripture and Biblical history quite well. What I'm trying to understand is your reasoning and get an explanation for why you believe Jesus is not a Jew cause frankly I've never heard that one before and I do alot of apologetics and I'l like to document this new flavor of objection to scripture.
It really boils down to your definition of "Jew".
Is it simply being a descendant of Judah? If so, that would indeed make Jesus a Jew.
Is it exclusively upholding the Torah, while refusing further Divine instructions (i.e. The Gospel)? If so, that would indeed make Jesus NOT a Jew.
In all cases, Jews want nothing to do with either Jesus or his mother and openly disrespect both.
Edit: Jesus would be considered antisemitic, by today's standards.
On the subject of Jesus then obviously "Jew" in the standard definition / context of that time.
Not true. Messianic Jews Believe in and accept Christ as their Messiah and many throughout history have just shed that label and have instead just adopted the label of Christian.
Messianic Jews: A dark fusion of faiths, where Jesus is the Messiah and the Torah is still the law. They walk the thin line between two worlds, shunned by both. Their numbers grow, a secret society hiding in plain sight.
Maybe slow down to improve your Reading Comprehension. King by the way here on earth.
"I know scripture and Biblical history quite well." Is Hubris one of the Seven Deadly Sins ?
You have yet to explain what your position is.
Do you believe that Jesus wasn't at you? Yes or no?
Or do you just believe that he wasn't the Messiah?
You are being vague.
That's a you problem, not a me problem.
I'm the only one between the two of us actually attempting to have a productive conversation and understand the other person's position and represent it accurately and honestly.
That's not hubris bud. I need you to tell me what YOU think, not what scripture I'm already familiar with says since YOU are the one that seems to be in conflict with Scripture and historical Christianity IF I'm understanding your position correctly.
Coating scripture at each other isn't going to actually be productive unless we contextualize What are specific assertion or position is and how that particular passage supports it.
This is really basic exegesis. Can you handle that without making personal attacks? Because so far you're not doing well.
Last chance.... Explain your position and answer the questions that I asked above And we can have a productive conversation like adults or go away.
I am sorry if I hurt your fee-fees. but WTF "Do you believe that Jesus wasn't at you?"
English a second Language?
The prophesy quoted from Micha is clear and speaks for it's self. Easily understood by someone who "I know scripture and Biblical history quite well."
I believe you have ignored my question and yet make demands on me to answer yours. A bit SUPREMACIST for my adult conversations. Speak to you or not inconsequential to me since you are the one with confusion.