It's not god, it's Q and the people. I saw a clip of a toddler falling off the side of a stairway and being saved by his mother and someone said god was with that child that day. No. His mother was with him. We have the power to do great things within us. No imaginary god needed.
Right. That power is already within you. It's yours to use. God does choose when and where to intercede on your behalf. That's why I also mentioned Job.
Go ahead and move a mountain through your own power. You can't.
You unbelieving and perverse generation. This must mean that if you cannot go out and lay hands on the sick to heal them then you have no faith and God has abandoned you entirely.
We can't move mountains on our own.
You are ideologically confused. We as Humans can absolutely move mountains. We do this all the time. Do you think the passage means that with enough faith you can in an act of magic literally pick up a mountain and put it down somewhere else? Why would you think that?
The point of the verse is to establish that we can do nothing great without God.
You are born and he gave you a soul. What more do you want, him to literally come down from heaven and guide the details of your life for you? How sad.
A lot of things are written down that are false. Just because it is ancient does not make it true. Do you subscribe to hinduism, islam, etc.? They are just as commanding and sure of their self as the hebrews and their gentile adherents.
Q said if you are religious, pray. Unfortunately millions of Q followers feel they need something to hang their hat on other than the power of their own mind. They need an imaginary middleman to focus their intent. Q also championed Free Thought which is incompatible with faith:
"Free thought" is a philosophical viewpoint which holds that positions regarding truth should be formed on the basis of logic, reason, and empiricism, rather than authority, tradition, revelation, or dogma.
And what sort of “great things” have you been able to pull off with the power of your own mind?
“Free thought” applied to the experience of my own life leads me toward belief in God. What do you think of that? Is someone’s “free thought” only correct when it agrees with yours? How dogmatic of you.
I have saved a loved one's life countless times. One time I had a feeling I should go check on her and borrowed someone's car to do it. When I got there she was collapsing onto the floor as I arrived.
Atheism is a philosophically destitute laughingstock.
There is no basis for the existence of anything on a philosophical or scientific level other than God.
If you think that faith and reason aren't compatible, it's because you don't know what faith means.
And the absolute irony of you saying that free thought means people should not believe in God. This thought doesn't feel very free, it feels more like I'm being railroaded into agreeing with your totally unproven philosophical presuppositions about reality.
Not sure if that is true. I have seen an unexpected occurrence in a remote place when I was asleep that turned out to have actually happened that night while I was asleep.
Ironically, it's the Atheists that operate in the unknown space of "we don't how this works, so it must just be something we don't understand yet."
They're no different from a Christian saying God did it. They're presupposing that a natural explanation exists, and we presuppose that God exists and does these things.
And then, like you say, even if something can happen naturally, God can cause it to happen all the same. And to the Atheists dismay, this can't be scientifically differentiated because it's not a scientific question, it's a philosophical one.
It doesn't matter what you are for or not for. Not when it comes to me. I started reading Q posts on 11/2/17 and read every single one thereafter. How do you reconcile the many times Q spoke of Free Thinking and warned of the danger of dogma, etc? 'Biblical' has multiple meanings by the way: "very great; on a large scale."
Personally I’m not concerned with where you’re coming from if it’s incorrect in nature. Believe what you want, but make no mistake, the IS BIBLICAL!
Ephesians 6:12
“For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.”
Atoms, fusion, random explosion and retraction, endless universal cycle that always was, always is and always will be since the beginning of existence itself.
If God was behind everything, and is in control of everything, then surely he would be living with the guilt of millions of innocent deaths on his hands - Gengis Khan killed half of Asia and Europe during his reign. The socialists killed millions of innocents. Regardless of whether they were believers or non-believers - they're both equally dead. WW1, WW2, Cold War, Vietnam, Iraq 1, 9/11, Iraq 2, Afghanistan, you can keep going and going. This all-powerful cabal supposedly powered by the energy of Satan, and the all-powerful God can't do anything to stop it and humanity has been enslaved for a long time.
I get this rebuttal a lot - "God punishes people by wiping out the whole civilization" - well, then that "God" is evil. Only evil people justify genocide in the name of a good deed. Broad brush, just wipe out all of humanity because of the 1% of wicked. Even the people who believed, and did all the right things.
So evil happens because Satan influences people - and God's response to "fix things" is to wipe everyone (even those NOT affected by Satan) out? Sounds a bit cruel and evil doesn't it?
"With great power comes great responsibility"
"You wouldn't dare hold God to a human standard right?" - Wrong, you would hold God to a HIGHER standard than a mere human.
(response may be somewhat disjointed and out of order. It is what it is)
There is no all-powerful cabal.
Also, your theological understanding is pure ignorance.
God used the flood when every single person had only evil in their hearts continually. He saved the only people who were good. Then He promised to never do it again, and never did.
Satan doesn't make you do it. Sorry. In reality, people do bad things because we are all bad people. On one side good, on the other evil. We are not perfect beings.
One guy says God should smite sinners, the other guy says He shouldn't because that's "mean". Maybe, just maybe, neither guy's opinion matters and only the opinion of the being that created everything does. My ego is big, but it's not so big that I think, even on a purely conceptual level, that my opinion is more important than that of a being that allegedly created us (is that a neutral/secular enough presentation for you?).
And I can not believe there are still people out there who think the "problem of evil" is a problem for anyone other than intellectually challenged Atheists (sorry if this is harsh, but it's where I'm at). It actually baffles me. Not imposing on free will is more important than God going on the selfsame Holy Crusade that you would call evil if some would-be King tried it. God didn't make us robots, and we get ample time in our lives to repent and strive to be good. You seem to think that evil people are just evil and unsavable.
Now the real juice: Entropy disproves an endless universal cycle that always was. Something needs to exist outside of it to reboot it each time, and the minute you go outside of the universe you're no better off than someone who claims God, evidence-wise (at best, in reality you're worse off).
Matter can't be created by nothing. Nothing doesn't explode. You have no evidence. You have a faith and religion, just like we do. Or maybe more accurately, you have a philosophical presupposition just like we do. Yours that everything can come from nothing, ours that there must be an intelligent creator with a will.
And hold up, "since the beginning of existence itself"? So it's not endless. Sounds like a contradiction to me.
"Muh God is just another link in the chain", I hear you say...
No He's not. God can actually always exist because He's not bound by physics. And if you insist on it, sure, this is a faith claim. But so is anything you can claim on the origins of the universe.
It's not god, it's Q and the people. I saw a clip of a toddler falling off the side of a stairway and being saved by his mother and someone said god was with that child that day. No. His mother was with him. We have the power to do great things within us. No imaginary god needed.
It's your faith that moves mountains.
Not God. God grants you that power. That's why you are made in his image.
I’m going to need more… got a verse to back that up?
Matthew 17.
Job 1.
EDIT: Note to self. Messages enshrining the power of personal responsibility to do not work in this sub. For whatever reason.
It's God's power that moves the mountain.
Go ahead and move a mountain through your own power. You can't.
The point of the verse is that God does great things, and without Him these things are impossible. We can't move mountains on our own.
The point of the verse is to establish that we can do nothing great without God.
Right. That power is already within you. It's yours to use. God does choose when and where to intercede on your behalf. That's why I also mentioned Job.
You unbelieving and perverse generation. This must mean that if you cannot go out and lay hands on the sick to heal them then you have no faith and God has abandoned you entirely.
You are ideologically confused. We as Humans can absolutely move mountains. We do this all the time. Do you think the passage means that with enough faith you can in an act of magic literally pick up a mountain and put it down somewhere else? Why would you think that?
You are born and he gave you a soul. What more do you want, him to literally come down from heaven and guide the details of your life for you? How sad.
A lot of things are written down that are false. Just because it is ancient does not make it true. Do you subscribe to hinduism, islam, etc.? They are just as commanding and sure of their self as the hebrews and their gentile adherents.
Christ was executed but raised from the dead to the Glory of God the Father.
There are direct eyewitnesses to this, e.g. Peter, John, Thomas etc.
We have his burial cloth, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6Es6NpxFeI
Too bad there is no evidence of that. All that amazing supernatural shit happened but no one noticed.
Q believes in God and tells us to pray to God. And I think Q knows more than you about what’s going on in the world. Take your edgy atheism elsewhere.
Q said if you are religious, pray. Unfortunately millions of Q followers feel they need something to hang their hat on other than the power of their own mind. They need an imaginary middleman to focus their intent. Q also championed Free Thought which is incompatible with faith:
"Free thought" is a philosophical viewpoint which holds that positions regarding truth should be formed on the basis of logic, reason, and empiricism, rather than authority, tradition, revelation, or dogma.
And what sort of “great things” have you been able to pull off with the power of your own mind?
“Free thought” applied to the experience of my own life leads me toward belief in God. What do you think of that? Is someone’s “free thought” only correct when it agrees with yours? How dogmatic of you.
I have saved a loved one's life countless times. One time I had a feeling I should go check on her and borrowed someone's car to do it. When I got there she was collapsing onto the floor as I arrived.
Can you outline how logic, reason, and empirical observation without authority, tradition, revelation, or dogma led you to your belief?
Atheism is a philosophically destitute laughingstock.
There is no basis for the existence of anything on a philosophical or scientific level other than God.
If you think that faith and reason aren't compatible, it's because you don't know what faith means.
And the absolute irony of you saying that free thought means people should not believe in God. This thought doesn't feel very free, it feels more like I'm being railroaded into agreeing with your totally unproven philosophical presuppositions about reality.
If you had evidence with which to reason you would not need faith.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/faith faith almost always implies certitude even where there is no evidence or proof. an unshakable faith in God
Mind power, outside of thinking, would require the addition of new physical laws. Sorry.
Not sure if that is true. I have seen an unexpected occurrence in a remote place when I was asleep that turned out to have actually happened that night while I was asleep.
God and science can exist simultaneously. Miracles are when God guides the physics to happen at the right time.
Preciously.
Ironically, it's the Atheists that operate in the unknown space of "we don't how this works, so it must just be something we don't understand yet."
They're no different from a Christian saying God did it. They're presupposing that a natural explanation exists, and we presuppose that God exists and does these things.
And then, like you say, even if something can happen naturally, God can cause it to happen all the same. And to the Atheists dismay, this can't be scientifically differentiated because it's not a scientific question, it's a philosophical one.
Probably the wrong spot for ya bud; I’m not much for self godliness. Sins are real, and IF you read Q I think you’d see how biblical all of this is
It doesn't matter what you are for or not for. Not when it comes to me. I started reading Q posts on 11/2/17 and read every single one thereafter. How do you reconcile the many times Q spoke of Free Thinking and warned of the danger of dogma, etc? 'Biblical' has multiple meanings by the way: "very great; on a large scale."
Then why did Q choose the word biblical? Very great; on a large scale. So, like the parting of the Red Sea?
Right, like a story of that magnitude.
Personally I’m not concerned with where you’re coming from if it’s incorrect in nature. Believe what you want, but make no mistake, the IS BIBLICAL!
Ephesians 6:12 “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.”
I reconcile it by recognizing that Q is not God.
You seem to treat him as such, with your seeming insinuation that he can't be wrong about anything.
Correct.
Prove that everything can come from nothing.
If you can't, the only option is God.
Atoms, fusion, random explosion and retraction, endless universal cycle that always was, always is and always will be since the beginning of existence itself.
If God was behind everything, and is in control of everything, then surely he would be living with the guilt of millions of innocent deaths on his hands - Gengis Khan killed half of Asia and Europe during his reign. The socialists killed millions of innocents. Regardless of whether they were believers or non-believers - they're both equally dead. WW1, WW2, Cold War, Vietnam, Iraq 1, 9/11, Iraq 2, Afghanistan, you can keep going and going. This all-powerful cabal supposedly powered by the energy of Satan, and the all-powerful God can't do anything to stop it and humanity has been enslaved for a long time.
I get this rebuttal a lot - "God punishes people by wiping out the whole civilization" - well, then that "God" is evil. Only evil people justify genocide in the name of a good deed. Broad brush, just wipe out all of humanity because of the 1% of wicked. Even the people who believed, and did all the right things.
So evil happens because Satan influences people - and God's response to "fix things" is to wipe everyone (even those NOT affected by Satan) out? Sounds a bit cruel and evil doesn't it?
"With great power comes great responsibility"
"You wouldn't dare hold God to a human standard right?" - Wrong, you would hold God to a HIGHER standard than a mere human.
(response may be somewhat disjointed and out of order. It is what it is)
There is no all-powerful cabal.
Also, your theological understanding is pure ignorance.
God used the flood when every single person had only evil in their hearts continually. He saved the only people who were good. Then He promised to never do it again, and never did.
Satan doesn't make you do it. Sorry. In reality, people do bad things because we are all bad people. On one side good, on the other evil. We are not perfect beings.
One guy says God should smite sinners, the other guy says He shouldn't because that's "mean". Maybe, just maybe, neither guy's opinion matters and only the opinion of the being that created everything does. My ego is big, but it's not so big that I think, even on a purely conceptual level, that my opinion is more important than that of a being that allegedly created us (is that a neutral/secular enough presentation for you?).
And I can not believe there are still people out there who think the "problem of evil" is a problem for anyone other than intellectually challenged Atheists (sorry if this is harsh, but it's where I'm at). It actually baffles me. Not imposing on free will is more important than God going on the selfsame Holy Crusade that you would call evil if some would-be King tried it. God didn't make us robots, and we get ample time in our lives to repent and strive to be good. You seem to think that evil people are just evil and unsavable.
Now the real juice: Entropy disproves an endless universal cycle that always was. Something needs to exist outside of it to reboot it each time, and the minute you go outside of the universe you're no better off than someone who claims God, evidence-wise (at best, in reality you're worse off).
Matter can't be created by nothing. Nothing doesn't explode. You have no evidence. You have a faith and religion, just like we do. Or maybe more accurately, you have a philosophical presupposition just like we do. Yours that everything can come from nothing, ours that there must be an intelligent creator with a will.
And hold up, "since the beginning of existence itself"? So it's not endless. Sounds like a contradiction to me.
"Muh God is just another link in the chain", I hear you say...
No He's not. God can actually always exist because He's not bound by physics. And if you insist on it, sure, this is a faith claim. But so is anything you can claim on the origins of the universe.