Yes, as a pilot they are instructed (coerced) to not speak of UFO's as it may damage their flying status; a.k.a. getting grounded and removed from flying. Same rules in civilian as military pilots.
Pilots know flying. They dont always know engines/thermodynamics. The whole ice crystalization is 100% BS. You cannot convince me that the exhaust from a jet, reaching temperatures over 1000 degrees Celsius forms ice. Logical fallacy. What it DOES do is superheat the colder altitude air and draws out the water exactly like steam from your breath on a cold morning. Both dissipate as it reaches ambient temps again. Chemtrails never dissipate, but spread out and make weird hazy-grey skies.
Source on both: 24 years Air Force, primary AFSC 2A61A/B (Aircraft engines, all types)
Edit: Not a pilot. Worked with them every day for 24yrs, flew with them, maintained solid engine operation, and (sometimes) fixed their fuckups to keep the plane flying.
Re #2, you are quite wrong. The engine combustion is indeed hot, but the drastic expansion through the turbine lowers the temperature greatly. Water vapor and carbon dioxide are produced by combustion of hydrocarbons. The exhaust is mixed with the fan blast, further diluting the water vapor. It rapidly mixes with the ambient air, which is far below freezing at that pressure. So, it crystalizes. And stays that way if the ambient conditions are at high relative humidity. It sublimates only if it drifts into areas where the atmosphere is relatively "dry." It is no different than other high-altitude ice clouds, which can linger indefinitely.
You have an unsupported premise that contrails fade away quickly. If they are at lower altitude, where the air is warmer and "dryer," that is true, but they are always persistent at high altitude. I've seen high-altitude persistent contrails in the 1950s from B-52s flying at 50,000 feet altitude. Most airliners at that time flew at ~35,000 feet.
I'm not a pilot either, but I had a 40-year career in aeronautical engineering, including propulsion system analysis.
First of all, jets don't fly at ground level. Secondly, ground air at that temperature is extremely dry and they would not form. Or are you just trying to say there are no such things as contrails?
The last part is correct and I should have been more specific; i.e. the higher you go the longer it takes the contrails to disappear...and they do disappear, it just depends on how long it takes but they do not persist, spread out, and form a gloomy haze. No matter anyone's claimed pedigree, whether true or not, I believe what I've seen/not seen during my own lifetime experience.
Yes, B52's will leave a longer contrail but when's the last time you saw Commercial airlines flying at 50k feet? They dont, and is quite a big difference, making it a non-contender for this instance as an "example" to use.
The problem is that the altitude in which the chemtrails are being deployed is no where near that high altitude. In fact, unless it is very cold out, even regular contrails dont even form at lower altitudes, where chemtrails ARE being deployed; i.e. typically 10-20k feet.
Lastly, why is it:
if "It's only a contrail", why is it that ONLY Commercial mid-sized aircraft seem to have this problem?
Why do the trails begin and end in certain parts of a flightpath?
Why arent these low-altitude "contrails (not)" going literally from horizon to horizon? they don't
Why arent the skies over various heavy flight paths just absolutely cluttered and choked with "contrails"? they aren't
Why is it, you can look up in the sky and see a plane at MUCH higher altitude leaving a contrail (that dissipates as it passes and does NOT persist) and see a much lower altitude airliner BELOW it, belching out a persistent (chem)trail? (yes I've used optics to verify this many times; i.e. same airframe model)
Why do we see these (chemtrails) no matter the time of year or temperature outside? It's always the same.
Nah, you need to wake up. You're relying too much on assumed bullshit like I used to do instead of observing what's actually going on. I used to be just like you, almost to a 'T', then so many were talking about it I said fine and really looked into it. It's happening whether you want to believe it or not....just like the COVID BS we tried warning everyone over and now regretting. Your choice: remain comfortable in your belief system, or let your gaurd down to look, really look, into the truth.
Edit:Here's a link to get you started if you wanna break out of that box. By all means, read all of it, it isn't long, but go to page 5 about mid-way. Now why would that be listed (among all those other things) as a covert weapon that Mr Dennis Kucinich, a former Representative in Congress, tried to get passed in a ban?
You don't need to fly at 50,000 feet, but modern airliners are flying between 40,000 and 45,000 feet regularly. They will persist clear across the sky and eventually unwrap and "dissolve" into the surrounding air. I live in the approach/departure corridor of a major international airport and see the trails all the time, in every state of their life cycle.
If "chemtrails" exist and they are being deployed at 10k-20k feet, then they are simply not contrails and would be essentially invisible. People who pick high-altitude contrails to be "chemtrails" are seriously mistaken.
It's not a problem it is mostly commercial airliners that fly at the altitudes where it can occur. The trails begin and end according to what the conditions of the air happen to be. (This is the same principle that produces the appearance of a cloud cap over mountain tops.) The skies over my local air sometimes have a profusion of contrails. Like I say, it depends on the meteorological conditions. It is weather-dependent. These conditions can be different at different altitudes. Why are there clouds at one altitude and not another, and then clouds at a higher altitude? That is essentially what you are asking. The contrails are essentially a 24/7 operation because that is the tempo of air travel. The meteorological conditions at high altitude are much the same over the globe and bear only a slight relationship to temperature conditions on the ground.
I am an aeronautical engineer, having worked 40 years at the Boeing Company. You need to wake up to the idea that there are people in this world who are familiar with the phenomenon and have observed it for nearly 70 years. Since you don't seem to have this background, I will decline your advice. This is not Covid, and you should be intellectually careful about assuming a lie when there is none, or making an erroneous identification. As for Mr. Kucinich, I never had much respect for him as a leading intellectual or detective. I think it was Tennessee that passed a similar ban, but I don't expect contrails to diminish or anyone brought up on charges. Easy to make declarations against unicorns and Leprechauns.
I was going to pick this apart, cuz there's some seriously retarded commentary...like "If "chemtrails" exist and they are being deployed at 10k-20k feet, then they are simply not contrails and would be essentially invisible."
So I guess you've never seen a crop duster deploy chemicals on crops at 10 feet then.
2 things:
Yes, as a pilot they are instructed (coerced) to not speak of UFO's as it may damage their flying status; a.k.a. getting grounded and removed from flying. Same rules in civilian as military pilots.
Pilots know flying. They dont always know engines/thermodynamics. The whole ice crystalization is 100% BS. You cannot convince me that the exhaust from a jet, reaching temperatures over 1000 degrees Celsius forms ice. Logical fallacy. What it DOES do is superheat the colder altitude air and draws out the water exactly like steam from your breath on a cold morning. Both dissipate as it reaches ambient temps again. Chemtrails never dissipate, but spread out and make weird hazy-grey skies.
Source on both: 24 years Air Force, primary AFSC 2A61A/B (Aircraft engines, all types)
Edit: Not a pilot. Worked with them every day for 24yrs, flew with them, maintained solid engine operation, and (sometimes) fixed their fuckups to keep the plane flying.
Re #2, you are quite wrong. The engine combustion is indeed hot, but the drastic expansion through the turbine lowers the temperature greatly. Water vapor and carbon dioxide are produced by combustion of hydrocarbons. The exhaust is mixed with the fan blast, further diluting the water vapor. It rapidly mixes with the ambient air, which is far below freezing at that pressure. So, it crystalizes. And stays that way if the ambient conditions are at high relative humidity. It sublimates only if it drifts into areas where the atmosphere is relatively "dry." It is no different than other high-altitude ice clouds, which can linger indefinitely.
You have an unsupported premise that contrails fade away quickly. If they are at lower altitude, where the air is warmer and "dryer," that is true, but they are always persistent at high altitude. I've seen high-altitude persistent contrails in the 1950s from B-52s flying at 50,000 feet altitude. Most airliners at that time flew at ~35,000 feet.
I'm not a pilot either, but I had a 40-year career in aeronautical engineering, including propulsion system analysis.
I’ve yet to see contrails at ground level in 35 below weather in the Midwest.
First of all, jets don't fly at ground level. Secondly, ground air at that temperature is extremely dry and they would not form. Or are you just trying to say there are no such things as contrails?
The last part is correct and I should have been more specific; i.e. the higher you go the longer it takes the contrails to disappear...and they do disappear, it just depends on how long it takes but they do not persist, spread out, and form a gloomy haze. No matter anyone's claimed pedigree, whether true or not, I believe what I've seen/not seen during my own lifetime experience.
Yes, B52's will leave a longer contrail but when's the last time you saw Commercial airlines flying at 50k feet? They dont, and is quite a big difference, making it a non-contender for this instance as an "example" to use.
The problem is that the altitude in which the chemtrails are being deployed is no where near that high altitude. In fact, unless it is very cold out, even regular contrails dont even form at lower altitudes, where chemtrails ARE being deployed; i.e. typically 10-20k feet.
Lastly, why is it:
Nah, you need to wake up. You're relying too much on assumed bullshit like I used to do instead of observing what's actually going on. I used to be just like you, almost to a 'T', then so many were talking about it I said fine and really looked into it. It's happening whether you want to believe it or not....just like the COVID BS we tried warning everyone over and now regretting. Your choice: remain comfortable in your belief system, or let your gaurd down to look, really look, into the truth.
Edit: Here's a link to get you started if you wanna break out of that box. By all means, read all of it, it isn't long, but go to page 5 about mid-way. Now why would that be listed (among all those other things) as a covert weapon that Mr Dennis Kucinich, a former Representative in Congress, tried to get passed in a ban?
You don't need to fly at 50,000 feet, but modern airliners are flying between 40,000 and 45,000 feet regularly. They will persist clear across the sky and eventually unwrap and "dissolve" into the surrounding air. I live in the approach/departure corridor of a major international airport and see the trails all the time, in every state of their life cycle.
If "chemtrails" exist and they are being deployed at 10k-20k feet, then they are simply not contrails and would be essentially invisible. People who pick high-altitude contrails to be "chemtrails" are seriously mistaken.
It's not a problem it is mostly commercial airliners that fly at the altitudes where it can occur. The trails begin and end according to what the conditions of the air happen to be. (This is the same principle that produces the appearance of a cloud cap over mountain tops.) The skies over my local air sometimes have a profusion of contrails. Like I say, it depends on the meteorological conditions. It is weather-dependent. These conditions can be different at different altitudes. Why are there clouds at one altitude and not another, and then clouds at a higher altitude? That is essentially what you are asking. The contrails are essentially a 24/7 operation because that is the tempo of air travel. The meteorological conditions at high altitude are much the same over the globe and bear only a slight relationship to temperature conditions on the ground.
I am an aeronautical engineer, having worked 40 years at the Boeing Company. You need to wake up to the idea that there are people in this world who are familiar with the phenomenon and have observed it for nearly 70 years. Since you don't seem to have this background, I will decline your advice. This is not Covid, and you should be intellectually careful about assuming a lie when there is none, or making an erroneous identification. As for Mr. Kucinich, I never had much respect for him as a leading intellectual or detective. I think it was Tennessee that passed a similar ban, but I don't expect contrails to diminish or anyone brought up on charges. Easy to make declarations against unicorns and Leprechauns.
I was going to pick this apart, cuz there's some seriously retarded commentary...like "If "chemtrails" exist and they are being deployed at 10k-20k feet, then they are simply not contrails and would be essentially invisible."
So I guess you've never seen a crop duster deploy chemicals on crops at 10 feet then.
Comfortably numb/clueless it is then. Be well.
Thanks for sharing. He's retired now. I should ask those questions again.