I can't make threads because my account is new. It would also be hard to know where to begin or stop. This is as best as I could do for now. I don't really want to complicate it or make it hard to read, require special knowledge to understand or learn a new 'language' in order to grasp it. I've developed my own 'language' as best as I can but it's shitty and ignorant really. Others have already said it better.
but at the same time, expressing it is what we are called to do. We have to accept our imperfections and limitations.. We are not 'bad' simply because we can't express it perfectly. For a long time I would feel immense guilt whenever I tried to express it, because I knew i was 'messing up' and saying 'unwise' things. It sort of drove me to refine it to a 'simpler' approach. I'm still working towards simpler and better ways, it's a process. We're all doing our best :)
What I can do is make sure that all my words and actions are guided by compassion so that the light of truth may shine forth from them.
This is what we can all do. We can love each other, as we ourselves are loved. We can treat each other with honesty, fairness and kindness.
I mean I didn't come up with that it's been said countless ways but now I see for the first time.
and somehow, ultimately, it means turning the other cheek and loving even those that hate us. Yes, even our enemies and the great armies of darkness.
I'm not at a point where I can 'accept' that, these people are wicked, 'evil'
and yet at some level, simply ignorant. Misguided.
It is not for me to forgive them, at this time, because I am not Jesus and I am not perfect. The compassion i feel is not the 'full' 'complete' perfect compassion. My heart is not perfectly pure. This is the process we undergo, this is 'through a glass, darkly, but then in full.
God never sees your faults only you and the devil see them.
Romans 8:1 no condemnation.
God is kind and he expects we need to grow and is patient to work with us as we do. Stay faithful. Though we are spiritually complete our minds need to be renewed to that truth and it takes time.
this is very, very close to what i'm attempting to express but I like your way a little more :)
it is, sort of, an already complete 'destination' but simultaneously a 'journey'. Our human minds will never see the destination or the completed perfection.
we're sort of, not really meant to.
again I put it poorly. Thank you for your input :)
I want to point out one more thing because I think it's interesting. Others may see what I have written here and assume I am advocating for some 'new age' spiritual woo woo, and if it comes across that way, I'm truly sorry. I'm not trying to reinterpret anything or pass it off as my own work or some 'new' teaching
Others might also see in my words a 'messiah' complex, like the crazy people that begin to claim that they are God or the 'second coming of Jesus'
I'm not claiming this at all and to do so is exceedingly dangerous. I have had these 'ideas' before as part of the 'existential terror' that I experienced
I figure that there is a way to resolve this 'paradox' or messiah complex,
it is like this,
If it were the case that a person claims to be Christ, through their 'fruits' you would know them.
Are their words and actions 'Christ like'? Do they produce 'good fruit' and ease the suffering of others?
Jesus was a great and skilful teacher. Through his words and actions many were saved or 'awakened' to a spiritual truth.
Are my words and actions Christ like?
No.
My words are pretty bad, I'm not a good teacher, i'd be surprised if anyone could read anything I have written and be awakened by it.
I am selfish and full of fear. I have phobias, attachments, pride, etc
If you were to see me in real life you would just see an awkward, fearful person with no real accomplishments, that doesn't have their life together in a way that others could follow as an example.
I am working on it, as we all are
I will never be perfect, as none of us will be in this lifetime, so to speak
Is there something more then? beyond this lifetime where we might attain 'Christ-like' status?
It's not helpful to think about, It is counter productive, because then there is a reason to 'put off' being the light you CAN be in this lifetime. It is procrastination.
It is also taking on a burden of the 'messiah complex' and that leads to the existential fear and suffering I described. That is too much for me, it is an impossibility.
And yet, Jesus lived, as I believe others have lived, awakened beings. If it were not possible (miraculously?) there would only exist endless suffering with no potential for it to be alleviated or extinguished.
I have simply felt what it feels like to have it extinguished, at least partially.
I can't make threads because my account is new. It would also be hard to know where to begin or stop. This is as best as I could do for now. I don't really want to complicate it or make it hard to read, require special knowledge to understand or learn a new 'language' in order to grasp it. I've developed my own 'language' as best as I can but it's shitty and ignorant really. Others have already said it better.
but at the same time, expressing it is what we are called to do. We have to accept our imperfections and limitations.. We are not 'bad' simply because we can't express it perfectly. For a long time I would feel immense guilt whenever I tried to express it, because I knew i was 'messing up' and saying 'unwise' things. It sort of drove me to refine it to a 'simpler' approach. I'm still working towards simpler and better ways, it's a process. We're all doing our best :)
What I can do is make sure that all my words and actions are guided by compassion so that the light of truth may shine forth from them.
This is what we can all do. We can love each other, as we ourselves are loved. We can treat each other with honesty, fairness and kindness. I mean I didn't come up with that it's been said countless ways but now I see for the first time.
and somehow, ultimately, it means turning the other cheek and loving even those that hate us. Yes, even our enemies and the great armies of darkness.
I'm not at a point where I can 'accept' that, these people are wicked, 'evil'
and yet at some level, simply ignorant. Misguided.
It is not for me to forgive them, at this time, because I am not Jesus and I am not perfect. The compassion i feel is not the 'full' 'complete' perfect compassion. My heart is not perfectly pure. This is the process we undergo, this is 'through a glass, darkly, but then in full.
God never sees your faults only you and the devil see them.
Romans 8:1 no condemnation.
God is kind and he expects we need to grow and is patient to work with us as we do. Stay faithful. Though we are spiritually complete our minds need to be renewed to that truth and it takes time.
Truth! 🙌
this is very, very close to what i'm attempting to express but I like your way a little more :)
it is, sort of, an already complete 'destination' but simultaneously a 'journey'. Our human minds will never see the destination or the completed perfection. we're sort of, not really meant to.
again I put it poorly. Thank you for your input :)
Thank you for sharing Quantum!
it's my honour. I've been a very lonely person, I have very few people to share this sort of stuff with.
If anything I have said resonates with the truth you know in your heart and strengthens your faith, that would fill me such happiness and gratitude.
Me posting here is as much for my own benefit as for the benefit of others.
It's all of us, in this together.
Absolutely fren...your story touched me and we are family here. WWG1WGA!
I want to point out one more thing because I think it's interesting. Others may see what I have written here and assume I am advocating for some 'new age' spiritual woo woo, and if it comes across that way, I'm truly sorry. I'm not trying to reinterpret anything or pass it off as my own work or some 'new' teaching
Others might also see in my words a 'messiah' complex, like the crazy people that begin to claim that they are God or the 'second coming of Jesus' I'm not claiming this at all and to do so is exceedingly dangerous. I have had these 'ideas' before as part of the 'existential terror' that I experienced
I figure that there is a way to resolve this 'paradox' or messiah complex, it is like this, If it were the case that a person claims to be Christ, through their 'fruits' you would know them. Are their words and actions 'Christ like'? Do they produce 'good fruit' and ease the suffering of others? Jesus was a great and skilful teacher. Through his words and actions many were saved or 'awakened' to a spiritual truth. Are my words and actions Christ like? No. My words are pretty bad, I'm not a good teacher, i'd be surprised if anyone could read anything I have written and be awakened by it. I am selfish and full of fear. I have phobias, attachments, pride, etc If you were to see me in real life you would just see an awkward, fearful person with no real accomplishments, that doesn't have their life together in a way that others could follow as an example.
I am working on it, as we all are
I will never be perfect, as none of us will be in this lifetime, so to speak
Is there something more then? beyond this lifetime where we might attain 'Christ-like' status? It's not helpful to think about, It is counter productive, because then there is a reason to 'put off' being the light you CAN be in this lifetime. It is procrastination. It is also taking on a burden of the 'messiah complex' and that leads to the existential fear and suffering I described. That is too much for me, it is an impossibility. And yet, Jesus lived, as I believe others have lived, awakened beings. If it were not possible (miraculously?) there would only exist endless suffering with no potential for it to be alleviated or extinguished.
I have simply felt what it feels like to have it extinguished, at least partially.