u/LakotaPride and any other Native American pedes, I found this in "He Walked the Americas" on page 238.
With some of what we see with pharmaceuticals & allopathic medicine, it makes me wonder how much disease has been a form of warfare against all humanity potentially for millenia?
Do you guys have any additional information or stories about disease free people on this land?
I had been taught that Native Americans had developed a "different" immune system, though maybe there wasn't a need for such a robust immune system if there was no disease from the taint of toxins?
This may just be a crazy theory, but reading the stories about "The Prophet" from the oral traditions of various tribes in this book has been really interesting & it seems pretty clear that traditionally White Americans have had no interest in oral traditions & learning about the truth these tribes could share.
Just curious if there is anything else you can add or where I can learn more about an accurate history vs a white washed Smithsonian version.
Speaking only for my tribe. We did not have a written language so their is no record to be found. However the information was passed down from Generation to Generation. This chnaged when the Black Robes started a written language as they learned our language.
Since there is little mention it appears people did get old and passed on. Indicating that our immune systems being exposed aided in better health as the immune system was designed to do. What is mentioned is with the arrival of Black Robes and settlers who had new viruses we had never had before it had a devastaing effect.
We were one of the largest tribes. We lost many from wars with other tribes and the Army. But nothing close to the losses from new viruses. It mimicked Genocide.
My cousin researched old military health records after graduating medical school. What he found were symptoms of diabetes starting to show up on the reservations. This appears to be supported by photo evidence from the past. Obesity was showing up, along with missing teeth more likely connected to sugar when it was introduced.
My 4th generation Great Grandfathers daughter was dying. The Medicine Man was unable to heal her. The comander of the fort hearing this sent his Doctor to help. The delay came because of a snowstorm but the Doctor did arrive at night to help. But she passed away. Prety clear the medicine man had not come across anything like this in the past. pointing more then likely to a new virus. The commander sent a pine coffin and riding gauntlets and gave her a military style funeral when she was laid to rest. This kindness is never forgotten and passsed on to each Generation.
I spoke with a friend who is Cherokee. He shared similar information about the most harm was from new viruses and that the death rates could appear to be genocide. Pretty clear we lost way more people from viruses then wars. Also clear is our immune system work better when they are challenged and it passes on to the next Generation. So before new viruses showing up people were doing well.
I don’t read that passage as meaning there were absolutely no diseases among Native Americans prior to European settlement, but rather, that they were highly susceptible to the particular diseases for which Europeans had generationally-built immunity and brought with them to the “New World.”
Such childhood diseases as measles killed thousands since the Indians had little white-corpuscle resistance built up throughout the ages to disease.
I have read similar accounts about Indians being wiped out with small pox, diphtheria, and/or what the Lenni Lenapes called “ Yellow Fever.” I also have wondered about the high incidence of alcoholism among Native Americans—prior to European influence, they had not consumed alcohol and yet, there are accounts of Indians quickly succumbing to addiction to “Fire Water,” and pawning their resources to get it. Since alcohol converts to sugar in the bloodstream, and since the Native American diet had previously no refined sugars, I’ve wondered if their metabolisms were more prone to alcoholism. But that’s just a pet hypothesis, I’m certainly not a scientist.
But back to your question. Just a guess, but I would imagine that prior to European colonization, the natives must have had their own maladies, or else there would have been no need for medicine men and women. And medicinal plants and herbs would not have been needed. Also no need for sweat lodges. Maybe they even had the same “families” of bacterial and viruses as the Europeans did, but just different strains?
Conversely, I would also imagine that Europeans were more apt to contract diseases for which the Indians had generational immunity. The Jamestown colony comes to mind:
Typhoid fever and dysentery visited Jamestown in recurrent epidemics killing 30 per cent or more of the colonists with each onslaught. Yet Jamestown endured because the leaders of the Virginia Company misapprehended the nexus between the estuarine environment and water-borne, non-immunizing diseases. Each summer, death stalked the town as invading salt water pushed up the estuary and concentrated pathogens in the town's water supply. The prevention of disease and death required the abandonment of Jamestown and relocation into healthier niches, which occurred with the dissolution of the Virginia Company in 1624.
If memory serves, in the Jamestown instance, Europeans died but the Indians had apparently known better than to build a village in a location prone to mosquito infestation. At least now we know the lowly mosquito is one of the most lethal vectors known to man. Still, makes one wonder why we would ever allow Bill Gates to breed them. 🤔. But that’s another topic.
Good thought process there. I had the "pharmaceutical" Thing running through my head due to family discussions this week & ended up hyper focused while I read that.
Thanks for the reminder to expand my thinking on my own pet hypothesises.
u/LakotaPride and any other Native American pedes, I found this in "He Walked the Americas" on page 238.
With some of what we see with pharmaceuticals & allopathic medicine, it makes me wonder how much disease has been a form of warfare against all humanity potentially for millenia?
Do you guys have any additional information or stories about disease free people on this land?
I had been taught that Native Americans had developed a "different" immune system, though maybe there wasn't a need for such a robust immune system if there was no disease from the taint of toxins?
This may just be a crazy theory, but reading the stories about "The Prophet" from the oral traditions of various tribes in this book has been really interesting & it seems pretty clear that traditionally White Americans have had no interest in oral traditions & learning about the truth these tribes could share.
Just curious if there is anything else you can add or where I can learn more about an accurate history vs a white washed Smithsonian version.
Speaking only for my tribe. We did not have a written language so their is no record to be found. However the information was passed down from Generation to Generation. This chnaged when the Black Robes started a written language as they learned our language.
Since there is little mention it appears people did get old and passed on. Indicating that our immune systems being exposed aided in better health as the immune system was designed to do. What is mentioned is with the arrival of Black Robes and settlers who had new viruses we had never had before it had a devastaing effect.
We were one of the largest tribes. We lost many from wars with other tribes and the Army. But nothing close to the losses from new viruses. It mimicked Genocide.
My cousin researched old military health records after graduating medical school. What he found were symptoms of diabetes starting to show up on the reservations. This appears to be supported by photo evidence from the past. Obesity was showing up, along with missing teeth more likely connected to sugar when it was introduced.
My 4th generation Great Grandfathers daughter was dying. The Medicine Man was unable to heal her. The comander of the fort hearing this sent his Doctor to help. The delay came because of a snowstorm but the Doctor did arrive at night to help. But she passed away. Prety clear the medicine man had not come across anything like this in the past. pointing more then likely to a new virus. The commander sent a pine coffin and riding gauntlets and gave her a military style funeral when she was laid to rest. This kindness is never forgotten and passsed on to each Generation.
I spoke with a friend who is Cherokee. He shared similar information about the most harm was from new viruses and that the death rates could appear to be genocide. Pretty clear we lost way more people from viruses then wars. Also clear is our immune system work better when they are challenged and it passes on to the next Generation. So before new viruses showing up people were doing well.
I hope this is of help.
Thank you, it does.
You are welcome.
I don’t read that passage as meaning there were absolutely no diseases among Native Americans prior to European settlement, but rather, that they were highly susceptible to the particular diseases for which Europeans had generationally-built immunity and brought with them to the “New World.”
I have read similar accounts about Indians being wiped out with small pox, diphtheria, and/or what the Lenni Lenapes called “ Yellow Fever.” I also have wondered about the high incidence of alcoholism among Native Americans—prior to European influence, they had not consumed alcohol and yet, there are accounts of Indians quickly succumbing to addiction to “Fire Water,” and pawning their resources to get it. Since alcohol converts to sugar in the bloodstream, and since the Native American diet had previously no refined sugars, I’ve wondered if their metabolisms were more prone to alcoholism. But that’s just a pet hypothesis, I’m certainly not a scientist.
But back to your question. Just a guess, but I would imagine that prior to European colonization, the natives must have had their own maladies, or else there would have been no need for medicine men and women. And medicinal plants and herbs would not have been needed. Also no need for sweat lodges. Maybe they even had the same “families” of bacterial and viruses as the Europeans did, but just different strains?
Conversely, I would also imagine that Europeans were more apt to contract diseases for which the Indians had generational immunity. The Jamestown colony comes to mind:
Jamestown Colony
If memory serves, in the Jamestown instance, Europeans died but the Indians had apparently known better than to build a village in a location prone to mosquito infestation. At least now we know the lowly mosquito is one of the most lethal vectors known to man. Still, makes one wonder why we would ever allow Bill Gates to breed them. 🤔. But that’s another topic.
Good thought process there. I had the "pharmaceutical" Thing running through my head due to family discussions this week & ended up hyper focused while I read that.
Thanks for the reminder to expand my thinking on my own pet hypothesises.
edited - typos