Granted, all true. But you are not understanding me. If both groups truly worshipped the same God, there would be no enmity. So who then is worshipping another? And who might that other be? Who is the one who was created by God, but that wanted to be first?
“If both groups truly worshipped the same God, there would be no enmity. So who then is worshipping another?”
“But you are not understanding me.”
Same. I’m stating that Jesus proclaimed YHWH, so if YHWH is false, so is Jesus, and that does not strike me as correct. Then I’m asking you to make an argument on who Judaism worships, because if there is enmity, and two different gods are being worshipped, Jesus claimed YHWH, so who is the other one?
It is perfectly possible that there is some combination of doctrinal error(s), by multiple parties, and infiltrated wolves in sheeps’ clothing secretly worshipping another god while claiming the one true One, and that these things are not uniform and monolithic across Judaism, but vary by school, synagogue, and individual.
That same logic applies to the issues currently going on with the Methodist church, and other branches as well. They are either secretly worshipping another god, or in deep doctrinal error.
I personally suspect that there is a lot of demonic influence grown out of disobedience driving it all, with most of the people unwittingly going along with it, a few people at the top who know what they’re doing, and a lot of people through combinations of factors falling into doctrinal error by not sufficiently studying the scriptures or having good discernment. “ ‘Love is Love’ so advocate sodomy!” “Protect our Trans Kids! Chop your Son’s ween off and mutilate your daughters!”
The fact that men have fallen into error does not mean that God changed or was misnamed. It means men stopped listening and strayed.
Many of the Israelites who were listening converted to Christianity in its early years…. That would indicate… what… about the ones who remained? We also know there was a massive assimilation centuries later, as they themselves recorded and told us about it. Who came in, and what percentage of the modern practitioners are from those people, and what percentage are actually faithful to the roots and spirit of the religion?
There are faithful practitioners of Judaism today - non-Christian faithful adherents of the Tanakh.
If you want a great starting point to look at, Jacob Rothschild was a member of the Reform school, which has been accused by the other primary branches of barely even being Judaism.
I think you know of whom I speak. The great deceiver. And anyone, in any faith can be deceived and begin to follow the one masquerading as the True God.
You didn’t say clearly if you were gnostic, so I’m not certain that was what you meant, but this sort of constant shifting away from reasoning and evidence and the subject-at-hand is why precisely I do not enjoy discussions with gnostics.
Granted, all true. But you are not understanding me. If both groups truly worshipped the same God, there would be no enmity. So who then is worshipping another? And who might that other be? Who is the one who was created by God, but that wanted to be first?
“If both groups truly worshipped the same God, there would be no enmity. So who then is worshipping another?”
“But you are not understanding me.”
Same. I’m stating that Jesus proclaimed YHWH, so if YHWH is false, so is Jesus, and that does not strike me as correct. Then I’m asking you to make an argument on who Judaism worships, because if there is enmity, and two different gods are being worshipped, Jesus claimed YHWH, so who is the other one?
It is perfectly possible that there is some combination of doctrinal error(s), by multiple parties, and infiltrated wolves in sheeps’ clothing secretly worshipping another god while claiming the one true One, and that these things are not uniform and monolithic across Judaism, but vary by school, synagogue, and individual.
That same logic applies to the issues currently going on with the Methodist church, and other branches as well. They are either secretly worshipping another god, or in deep doctrinal error.
I personally suspect that there is a lot of demonic influence grown out of disobedience driving it all, with most of the people unwittingly going along with it, a few people at the top who know what they’re doing, and a lot of people through combinations of factors falling into doctrinal error by not sufficiently studying the scriptures or having good discernment. “ ‘Love is Love’ so advocate sodomy!” “Protect our Trans Kids! Chop your Son’s ween off and mutilate your daughters!”
The fact that men have fallen into error does not mean that God changed or was misnamed. It means men stopped listening and strayed.
Many of the Israelites who were listening converted to Christianity in its early years…. That would indicate… what… about the ones who remained? We also know there was a massive assimilation centuries later, as they themselves recorded and told us about it. Who came in, and what percentage of the modern practitioners are from those people, and what percentage are actually faithful to the roots and spirit of the religion?
There are faithful practitioners of Judaism today - non-Christian faithful adherents of the Tanakh.
If you want a great starting point to look at, Jacob Rothschild was a member of the Reform school, which has been accused by the other primary branches of barely even being Judaism.
I think you know of whom I speak. The great deceiver. And anyone, in any faith can be deceived and begin to follow the one masquerading as the True God.
sigh.
You didn’t say clearly if you were gnostic, so I’m not certain that was what you meant, but this sort of constant shifting away from reasoning and evidence and the subject-at-hand is why precisely I do not enjoy discussions with gnostics.