Apology accepted. I'm not defending the the organization. What I'm saying, is in my 64 year old year experience I did not see, hear of, or experience anything directly evil. Was I blind as a child, possibly. As I mentioned, I was a rebel. I didn't like stupid rules and "dropped out" of Jobs Daughters in 1975. I'm the black sheep of the family. My eldest sister has been the Grand Guardian of the Grand Bethel in Ca for several terms and stays involved to this day. Do I look back at things differently now? Quite a bit. But the local lodges and Bethel members aren't evil people themselves. I will say that my sister's responsibilities and her husband in Shriners stopped going to church because of their commitments to these organizations, so yes the devil has an active role. Although, churches are infiltrated too. It's why I'm the outcast. Never liked group think. Ask away.