Thanks! Truth sounds like hate to those the hate truth.
People like you that know their scriptures get what I'm saying and understand the points I'm making and why I'm making them.... Not to be contentious, but because it's incredibly important for Christians.
Amen, If the Apostle Paul was alive today he would write a scathing epistle to the pope denouncing him as an apostate, telling him to repent and get inline with the true Biblical teaching.
Oh man.... You genuinely suck at understanding the Bible and Christianity. You really need to get into a solid church and under qualified leadership.
All Scripture is "God-breathed" (2 Timothy 3:16) and that holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit (2 Peter 1:21), the argument against the Bible as "just words of men" misunderstands the divine origin and authority of Scripture. Below is a point-by-point response to this argument:
Scripture is God-Breathed, Not Merely Words of Men
The claim that the Bible consists only of "words of men" ignores the essential doctrine that Scripture is divinely inspired. According to 2 Timothy 3:16, "All Scripture is breathed out by God" (ESV). This means that while human authors wrote the Bible, they did so under the direct inspiration of the Holy Spirit. The Bible is not just a collection of human thoughts; it is the Word of God, authoritative and inerrant.
Response: God used human instruments to pen His Word, but those words are not the product of mere human wisdom or opinion. Rather, as Peter explains, "no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation. For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit" (2 Peter 1:20-21). Therefore, the Bible is both fully the Word of God and trustworthy for all matters of faith and practice.
God's Revelation in Scripture is Complete and Sufficient
The argument suggests that relying on the Bible limits God to a "box" or formula. However, Reformed theology teaches that God's revelation through Scripture is complete and sufficient. The Bible is not exhaustive of all of God’s knowledge, but it is sufficient for guiding believers in all aspects of faith, worship, and life. This principle is known as the sufficiency of Scripture.
Response: Scripture itself teaches that God's revelation in His Word is sufficient for our faith: "His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us to His own glory and excellence" (2 Peter 1:3). The Bible contains everything necessary for understanding God’s will and for spiritual growth. Far from limiting God, the Bible reveals God’s will, pointing us to His sovereign plan for salvation, through which the Holy Spirit works in the lives of believers.
God’s Spirit and God’s Word are Not in Conflict
The argument claims that one should "rely on the spirit of God within" rather than the written Word. However, from a Reformed Baptist perspective, there is no conflict between the Holy Spirit and the Word of God. The Holy Spirit does not speak apart from Scripture but rather works through the Word to illuminate, convict, and guide believers.
Response: Jesus Himself declared that the Spirit of truth would guide His followers "into all the truth" (John 16:13), which the apostles and prophets then recorded in the Scriptures. The Holy Spirit continues to work through those Scriptures today, teaching us and revealing the truths of God. Hebrews 4:12 says, "For the word of God is living and active," showing that God's Word is not a dead letter but a living, powerful instrument by which the Spirit convicts and transforms. To separate the Spirit from the Word is to misunderstand the way in which God has chosen to reveal and work through His Word.
Jesus Christ Affirms the Authority of Scripture
Christ Himself affirmed the authority and sufficiency of Scripture. When confronted with temptation, Jesus responded by quoting Scripture, saying, "It is written..." (Matthew 4:4, 7, 10). He taught that "not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished" (Matthew 5:18), upholding the authority and eternal relevance of the written Word of God.
Response: If Jesus Christ, the living Word of God, relied on and affirmed the authority of Scripture, how can we argue that trusting in the Bible is "putting God in a box"? Far from limiting God, Scripture is the very means by which He reveals Himself to us. To claim that we should bypass the Bible in favor of relying on a subjective sense of the "Spirit within" opens the door to error, as our own perceptions and feelings are prone to sin and distortion.
Warnings Against Subjective "Revelations" Apart from Scripture
Relying on an internal "spirit of God within" without the grounding of Scripture is dangerous, as it can lead to subjective and often contradictory views of God. Throughout church history, false teachings and heresies have arisen when people claimed to receive direct revelations apart from Scripture.
Response: The Bible warns against such reliance on personal feelings or supposed revelations that contradict the revealed Word of God. In Galatians 1:8, Paul warns: "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed." The written Word provides an objective standard by which to measure all spiritual experiences and teachings, ensuring that we remain faithful to God's revealed truth.
The Holy Spirit Illuminates Scripture, Not Apart from It
It is true that the Holy Spirit dwells within believers, guiding and sanctifying them. However, the Spirit works primarily through the Word of God to lead Christians into truth. The Spirit and the Word are inseparable in the work of salvation and sanctification.
Response: Jesus said that the Holy Spirit would "teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you" (John 14:26). The Spirit's role is not to give new revelation outside of Scripture but to help believers understand and apply the Word that has already been revealed. Paul echoes this in 1 Corinthians 2:12-13, stating that we have received the Spirit "that we might understand the things freely given us by God." Therefore, far from limiting our reliance on the Spirit, the Bible is the very instrument through which the Spirit speaks to and guides us today.
Conclusion
The Bible, as God’s inspired and infallible Word, is not simply a collection of human ideas, but it is the very revelation of God, given to guide, correct, and instruct His people. To rely on the Bible is not to "put God in a box," but to trust in the authority of the means by which He has chosen to reveal Himself. The Holy Spirit works through Scripture to bring life, illumination, and transformation. As believers, we should hold fast to the Bible, knowing that it is the surest and most reliable source of God's will for our lives.
You have idolized scriptures of men and use those same scriptures as self declared proof, talking points used in debate to win arguments for the self governing words of men, in a BOOK. Reducing God to formulas and verses from men, like the Pharisees that Jesus rebuked, they loved to talk and use wise and persuasive words to win “debates”, because they felt salvation needed to be intellectually gatekept, and was for the wise and learned, the proper citizens of the day.. you are displaying signs of cultural Christianity, modern worldly faith in the BIBLE. The modern church is asleep, but supposedly very wise and articulate at quoting men from a book.. and no wonder the world doesn’t see the manifestations and miracles of the days of Jesus, because the church as been subverted and sedated into repeating words and formula from a collection of historical accounts of men, written over hundreds of years timespan. You hide behind the Bible to win arguments to boost your own pride and ego, rather than stepping out in faith. Modern religion has enslaved the church. There was a time not too long ago when the bible was referred to as the “good book”, rather than the absolute word of God. The Bible is a history book.. the actual Word is GOD. A living and alive word that the world of Satan wants to keep hidden.. even Satan quotes and uses scripture to win arguments and tempt people, coincidence? God bless
Shhhh handshake. I wasn't making fun of anyone.
But now I will....
You're kinda dumb. My proof is what we see in scripture and what we see demonstrated by Jesus, the apostles and clear as day verses like 1 Timothy 2:5
You have no proof. None. Zero. Zilch. Nada.
Just "maybe" "it's possible"
I don't deal in "what ifs" when it comes to God's Word.
I like you Anon, keep fighting for the Biblical truth
Thanks! Truth sounds like hate to those the hate truth.
People like you that know their scriptures get what I'm saying and understand the points I'm making and why I'm making them.... Not to be contentious, but because it's incredibly important for Christians.
Amen, If the Apostle Paul was alive today he would write a scathing epistle to the pope denouncing him as an apostate, telling him to repent and get inline with the true Biblical teaching.
Oh man.... You genuinely suck at understanding the Bible and Christianity. You really need to get into a solid church and under qualified leadership.
All Scripture is "God-breathed" (2 Timothy 3:16) and that holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit (2 Peter 1:21), the argument against the Bible as "just words of men" misunderstands the divine origin and authority of Scripture. Below is a point-by-point response to this argument:
The claim that the Bible consists only of "words of men" ignores the essential doctrine that Scripture is divinely inspired. According to 2 Timothy 3:16, "All Scripture is breathed out by God" (ESV). This means that while human authors wrote the Bible, they did so under the direct inspiration of the Holy Spirit. The Bible is not just a collection of human thoughts; it is the Word of God, authoritative and inerrant.
Response: God used human instruments to pen His Word, but those words are not the product of mere human wisdom or opinion. Rather, as Peter explains, "no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation. For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit" (2 Peter 1:20-21). Therefore, the Bible is both fully the Word of God and trustworthy for all matters of faith and practice.
The argument suggests that relying on the Bible limits God to a "box" or formula. However, Reformed theology teaches that God's revelation through Scripture is complete and sufficient. The Bible is not exhaustive of all of God’s knowledge, but it is sufficient for guiding believers in all aspects of faith, worship, and life. This principle is known as the sufficiency of Scripture.
Response: Scripture itself teaches that God's revelation in His Word is sufficient for our faith: "His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us to His own glory and excellence" (2 Peter 1:3). The Bible contains everything necessary for understanding God’s will and for spiritual growth. Far from limiting God, the Bible reveals God’s will, pointing us to His sovereign plan for salvation, through which the Holy Spirit works in the lives of believers.
The argument claims that one should "rely on the spirit of God within" rather than the written Word. However, from a Reformed Baptist perspective, there is no conflict between the Holy Spirit and the Word of God. The Holy Spirit does not speak apart from Scripture but rather works through the Word to illuminate, convict, and guide believers.
Response: Jesus Himself declared that the Spirit of truth would guide His followers "into all the truth" (John 16:13), which the apostles and prophets then recorded in the Scriptures. The Holy Spirit continues to work through those Scriptures today, teaching us and revealing the truths of God. Hebrews 4:12 says, "For the word of God is living and active," showing that God's Word is not a dead letter but a living, powerful instrument by which the Spirit convicts and transforms. To separate the Spirit from the Word is to misunderstand the way in which God has chosen to reveal and work through His Word.
Christ Himself affirmed the authority and sufficiency of Scripture. When confronted with temptation, Jesus responded by quoting Scripture, saying, "It is written..." (Matthew 4:4, 7, 10). He taught that "not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished" (Matthew 5:18), upholding the authority and eternal relevance of the written Word of God.
Response: If Jesus Christ, the living Word of God, relied on and affirmed the authority of Scripture, how can we argue that trusting in the Bible is "putting God in a box"? Far from limiting God, Scripture is the very means by which He reveals Himself to us. To claim that we should bypass the Bible in favor of relying on a subjective sense of the "Spirit within" opens the door to error, as our own perceptions and feelings are prone to sin and distortion.
Relying on an internal "spirit of God within" without the grounding of Scripture is dangerous, as it can lead to subjective and often contradictory views of God. Throughout church history, false teachings and heresies have arisen when people claimed to receive direct revelations apart from Scripture.
Response: The Bible warns against such reliance on personal feelings or supposed revelations that contradict the revealed Word of God. In Galatians 1:8, Paul warns: "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed." The written Word provides an objective standard by which to measure all spiritual experiences and teachings, ensuring that we remain faithful to God's revealed truth.
It is true that the Holy Spirit dwells within believers, guiding and sanctifying them. However, the Spirit works primarily through the Word of God to lead Christians into truth. The Spirit and the Word are inseparable in the work of salvation and sanctification.
Response: Jesus said that the Holy Spirit would "teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you" (John 14:26). The Spirit's role is not to give new revelation outside of Scripture but to help believers understand and apply the Word that has already been revealed. Paul echoes this in 1 Corinthians 2:12-13, stating that we have received the Spirit "that we might understand the things freely given us by God." Therefore, far from limiting our reliance on the Spirit, the Bible is the very instrument through which the Spirit speaks to and guides us today.
Conclusion
The Bible, as God’s inspired and infallible Word, is not simply a collection of human ideas, but it is the very revelation of God, given to guide, correct, and instruct His people. To rely on the Bible is not to "put God in a box," but to trust in the authority of the means by which He has chosen to reveal Himself. The Holy Spirit works through Scripture to bring life, illumination, and transformation. As believers, we should hold fast to the Bible, knowing that it is the surest and most reliable source of God's will for our lives.
You have idolized scriptures of men and use those same scriptures as self declared proof, talking points used in debate to win arguments for the self governing words of men, in a BOOK. Reducing God to formulas and verses from men, like the Pharisees that Jesus rebuked, they loved to talk and use wise and persuasive words to win “debates”, because they felt salvation needed to be intellectually gatekept, and was for the wise and learned, the proper citizens of the day.. you are displaying signs of cultural Christianity, modern worldly faith in the BIBLE. The modern church is asleep, but supposedly very wise and articulate at quoting men from a book.. and no wonder the world doesn’t see the manifestations and miracles of the days of Jesus, because the church as been subverted and sedated into repeating words and formula from a collection of historical accounts of men, written over hundreds of years timespan. You hide behind the Bible to win arguments to boost your own pride and ego, rather than stepping out in faith. Modern religion has enslaved the church. There was a time not too long ago when the bible was referred to as the “good book”, rather than the absolute word of God. The Bible is a history book.. the actual Word is GOD. A living and alive word that the world of Satan wants to keep hidden.. even Satan quotes and uses scripture to win arguments and tempt people, coincidence? God bless