500 more times powerful inland? Not sure where these statistics are coming from. As I understand it, most of the destruction happened because of dams being opened, and water overwhelming infrastructure, not because the storm was "powerful."
OK, I see that, but the storm STILL was not "more powerful" when it was inland. It sat in one spot and dumped a lot of rain, but it didn't become "more powerful." It did not jump from a Cat 4 to a Cat 5. It wasn't even a hurricane when it reached Appalachia. This kind of rhetoric is not helpful to those in need. We need to dial back the sensationalism, recognize where the issues are, and focus.
You are incorrect about nearly everything you said.
I never claimed it went from a cat 4 to a cat 5, so that's a straw man argument. You are a failure, sir, and your ancestors and future descendants all bear your shame. Just kidding, but that's what you get for projecting your fake words into my mouth, acting all like controlled opposition forum slider here.
I live in the area that was affected (hendersonville nc), and I've done research on this. We have weather stations that recorded the wind speeds, and they were higher wind speeds than in Augusta Ga, Greenville Sc and Columbia SC which were all hit by this as it traveled inland and then up I-26
The windspeeds recorded in NC make it a category 1, not a tropical storm
So here's teh timeline. At sea it was a cat 3 or cat 4, can't remember which, it hit land an immediately lost energy and became a tropical storm, then it traveled 500 mi and picked up speed and was a cat 1 again over Asheville.
These categories have strict requirements, you can look it up. I did research by going town by town and finding out news stories of the top constant wind speeds and top gust speeds.
Also, the fact that nearly 1% of trees were knocked over from Clinton, SC and further north, and then total devastation in NC with oaks knocked over, poplars, pines snapped in half, and ornamental leyland cypresses nearly all bowled over means that a sustained windspeed of 70-90mph in some areas with gusts of 120 mph means its a cat 1
I had 13 trees knocked over, blocking me from ingress/egress from my home. I 'm thankful that it only took out my internet and didn't do any big damage to my home. VERY thankful. So much I had kind of a mini cry out, esp knowing that 10 mi from me the town is ... GONE (near lake lure / chimney rock)
Some of the trees that were knocked over were 20" in diameter. That's an old very big tree. Only a 90mph / 120 gust could do that.
I am not new to weather research. You also have my condolences if you were adversely affected by the storm.
I have followed hurricanes especially for about 30 years. One thing I have noticed within the past 3-4 years is that news reporters, and even weathermen, are inaccurately confusing "sustained" with "gusts." This was especially notable with Helene and Milton. I question some of their claims with the category of hurricane assigned, when they confuse wind characteristics such as I described.
Helene was a Cat 4 when it made landfall, allegedly. I could not duplicate Cat 4 sustained wind speeds when watching real-time wind speed maps. The map I mostly use allows for the user to switch between sustained and gusts. When I switched to gusts, I could get 130-135 mph gusts in a very tiny area, but that is not within the categorization of a Cat 4 storm. I have noticed this phenomenon going back to Hurricane Katrina. I suspect that news services do this to whip up fear, getting more viewers.
When you have ground saturation from rainfall, shallow-rooted trees, as well as old, top-heavy trees, will topple easily. It doesn't take much wind to do this. If they are in a vulnerable location, especially a hillside, they will go. A tree with a wide trunk is not immune to toppling, especially if it has a large canopy. It's a combination of the weight in the air, how much wind the leaves catch, and the weakness of the soil and depth of the root ball. If an area has escaped heavy storms for a few years, you will have many, many trees "primed," and ready to go.
If trees actually snapped, that's usually evidence of a tornado. It takes much higher windspeeds to snap trees than from the kind of tropical storm you describe. Snapping a tree requires a "yank" or "twist," or a straightline wind higher than, say 130mph. Trees will also snap if they are diseased and have a weak spot, or a cavity carved out by woodpeckers, for example.
I'm not doubting that you did research. But if your sources are using flawed or fraudulent information to start with (i.e. "sustained" vs. "gusts"), then your conclusions will be inaccurate.
I took a look at the rainfall amounts from the different areas affected. There were some higher amounts, above 20" over a 72-hour period, and I agree, this is especially problematic in hilly terrain. But other areas had 10-12 inches over this time period, which we can get somewhat uncommonly here in Florida, maybe once a season. The soil here doesn't percolate well, and areas here can flood easily. I understand this phenomenon. As I understand it, most of the destruction was from water releases from reservoirs that overwhelmed the areas downstream in North Carolina.
In 2018, we took a direct hit from Hurricane Michael, which is largely ignored by the media. Hurricanes typically weaken as they approach landfall, but Michael, two hours from shore, was a Cat 2-3. When it made landfall, it was most definitely a Cat 5, with some calling it Cat "6". I have been through two other hurricanes, two weeks apart, which were Cat 3 storms. I can tell you, no joke, that we had sustained 140-145 mph winds at our home for two hours, 25 miles inland, and I don't doubt that there was 165-170mph sustained along the coast. There is no verification of these wind speeds, because all the weather stations were destroyed before the worst of the storm had hit. The last reading on one wind speed gauge at Tyndall AFB was over 200mph.
We were also brushed by an F2 tornado this past January, and had some roof damage. I'm intimately familiar with destructive wind storms.
Again, I'm glad you escaped the worst of the storm. I didn't mean to sidetrack your thread, and I will refrain from adding anything further. I originally read your OP wrong, and I apologize.
Btw, I'm not a lone voice in this. Nearly everyone that I talk to in this area thinks there was weather manipulation to make it more intense over W-NC, because it picked up energy in upstate SC. I've driven back and forth several times from the W-NC area to SC and drove around Greenville and Spartanburg and there was massive devasation there also.
500 more times powerful inland? Not sure where these statistics are coming from. As I understand it, most of the destruction happened because of dams being opened, and water overwhelming infrastructure, not because the storm was "powerful."
OP didn't say it was "500 times more powerful." The post says "it got more powerful 500 miles inland". Reading is essential.
OK, I see that, but the storm STILL was not "more powerful" when it was inland. It sat in one spot and dumped a lot of rain, but it didn't become "more powerful." It did not jump from a Cat 4 to a Cat 5. It wasn't even a hurricane when it reached Appalachia. This kind of rhetoric is not helpful to those in need. We need to dial back the sensationalism, recognize where the issues are, and focus.
Snark duly noted.
You are incorrect about nearly everything you said.
I never claimed it went from a cat 4 to a cat 5, so that's a straw man argument. You are a failure, sir, and your ancestors and future descendants all bear your shame. Just kidding, but that's what you get for projecting your fake words into my mouth, acting all like controlled opposition forum slider here.
I live in the area that was affected (hendersonville nc), and I've done research on this. We have weather stations that recorded the wind speeds, and they were higher wind speeds than in Augusta Ga, Greenville Sc and Columbia SC which were all hit by this as it traveled inland and then up I-26
The windspeeds recorded in NC make it a category 1, not a tropical storm
So here's teh timeline. At sea it was a cat 3 or cat 4, can't remember which, it hit land an immediately lost energy and became a tropical storm, then it traveled 500 mi and picked up speed and was a cat 1 again over Asheville.
These categories have strict requirements, you can look it up. I did research by going town by town and finding out news stories of the top constant wind speeds and top gust speeds.
Also, the fact that nearly 1% of trees were knocked over from Clinton, SC and further north, and then total devastation in NC with oaks knocked over, poplars, pines snapped in half, and ornamental leyland cypresses nearly all bowled over means that a sustained windspeed of 70-90mph in some areas with gusts of 120 mph means its a cat 1
I had 13 trees knocked over, blocking me from ingress/egress from my home. I 'm thankful that it only took out my internet and didn't do any big damage to my home. VERY thankful. So much I had kind of a mini cry out, esp knowing that 10 mi from me the town is ... GONE (near lake lure / chimney rock)
Some of the trees that were knocked over were 20" in diameter. That's an old very big tree. Only a 90mph / 120 gust could do that.
I am not new to weather research. You also have my condolences if you were adversely affected by the storm.
I have followed hurricanes especially for about 30 years. One thing I have noticed within the past 3-4 years is that news reporters, and even weathermen, are inaccurately confusing "sustained" with "gusts." This was especially notable with Helene and Milton. I question some of their claims with the category of hurricane assigned, when they confuse wind characteristics such as I described.
Helene was a Cat 4 when it made landfall, allegedly. I could not duplicate Cat 4 sustained wind speeds when watching real-time wind speed maps. The map I mostly use allows for the user to switch between sustained and gusts. When I switched to gusts, I could get 130-135 mph gusts in a very tiny area, but that is not within the categorization of a Cat 4 storm. I have noticed this phenomenon going back to Hurricane Katrina. I suspect that news services do this to whip up fear, getting more viewers.
When you have ground saturation from rainfall, shallow-rooted trees, as well as old, top-heavy trees, will topple easily. It doesn't take much wind to do this. If they are in a vulnerable location, especially a hillside, they will go. A tree with a wide trunk is not immune to toppling, especially if it has a large canopy. It's a combination of the weight in the air, how much wind the leaves catch, and the weakness of the soil and depth of the root ball. If an area has escaped heavy storms for a few years, you will have many, many trees "primed," and ready to go.
If trees actually snapped, that's usually evidence of a tornado. It takes much higher windspeeds to snap trees than from the kind of tropical storm you describe. Snapping a tree requires a "yank" or "twist," or a straightline wind higher than, say 130mph. Trees will also snap if they are diseased and have a weak spot, or a cavity carved out by woodpeckers, for example.
I'm not doubting that you did research. But if your sources are using flawed or fraudulent information to start with (i.e. "sustained" vs. "gusts"), then your conclusions will be inaccurate.
I took a look at the rainfall amounts from the different areas affected. There were some higher amounts, above 20" over a 72-hour period, and I agree, this is especially problematic in hilly terrain. But other areas had 10-12 inches over this time period, which we can get somewhat uncommonly here in Florida, maybe once a season. The soil here doesn't percolate well, and areas here can flood easily. I understand this phenomenon. As I understand it, most of the destruction was from water releases from reservoirs that overwhelmed the areas downstream in North Carolina.
In 2018, we took a direct hit from Hurricane Michael, which is largely ignored by the media. Hurricanes typically weaken as they approach landfall, but Michael, two hours from shore, was a Cat 2-3. When it made landfall, it was most definitely a Cat 5, with some calling it Cat "6". I have been through two other hurricanes, two weeks apart, which were Cat 3 storms. I can tell you, no joke, that we had sustained 140-145 mph winds at our home for two hours, 25 miles inland, and I don't doubt that there was 165-170mph sustained along the coast. There is no verification of these wind speeds, because all the weather stations were destroyed before the worst of the storm had hit. The last reading on one wind speed gauge at Tyndall AFB was over 200mph.
We were also brushed by an F2 tornado this past January, and had some roof damage. I'm intimately familiar with destructive wind storms.
Again, I'm glad you escaped the worst of the storm. I didn't mean to sidetrack your thread, and I will refrain from adding anything further. I originally read your OP wrong, and I apologize.
Btw, I'm not a lone voice in this. Nearly everyone that I talk to in this area thinks there was weather manipulation to make it more intense over W-NC, because it picked up energy in upstate SC. I've driven back and forth several times from the W-NC area to SC and drove around Greenville and Spartanburg and there was massive devasation there also.