[Update: What's amazing is that there are about 28 comments now, and not a single one of them tries answer specifically any of the five questions at the end of my post here, which was the whole purpose of the post. I'm trying to figure out how the future will play out over the next three years, not kick a hornet's nest on the "correct" interpretation of the Bible.]
[Update: Everyone please don't get hung up on Gnosticism - you can forget I even used the word Gnosticism, and I still make a lot of predictions and have a lot of questions that are worth considering and discussing.]
I've written some popular posts here (check my profile):
Updated with Wikileaks/Tucker and Putin: Israel Threatening the Nuclear Samson Option
2020 = 2024: Grab Popcorn and Buckle Up for Total Vindication Over the Next Two Weeks
Those give a sense for my general thesis:
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We're in the Biblical End Times, hence all of the Q Bible talk
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Trump is actually the little horn of the book of Daniel. Don't kneejerk react and say he must be evil - there are gnostic interpretations of Christianity where the little horn is not evil in a cartoonish way, but is a light bringer who helps us evolve to a new enlightenment. This is Great Awakening, not The Donald.
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Another reason we know that we're in the End Times is that superhuman AI is right around the corner - months or years away, and this will result in killing us all, controlling us all, or making heaven on Earth. This is not conspiracy theory - the experts at the top AI companies are saying things like this.
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Trump devolved the government and controlled Biden, either through blackmail (this sounds less insane) or just killing him and replacing him with an actor in a mask (this is what really happened, but sounds insane). This is going to be revealed, probably on Wed. Nov. 6 but my bets expire on Feb. 20, 2025 to create a little breathing room.
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Trump-controlled-Biden to have Assange released from prison and play a role in the election. Wikileaks has been virulenty anti-Pompeo and anti-Israel all month long, bordering on the cartoonish. Trump is also saying nice things about Pompeo - so one of them is being deceptive, and it's probably Trump. Pompeo is the one "old" agency head installed into the Trump admin as part of a seven year sting operation to root out the fifth column corrupting the CIA from within - which is the state of Israel.
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The wildest part - which even I find hard to believe - is that Trump is going to go after freemasonry too, which has roots back to the founding fathers. I think Trump will reveal that he grew up with Jewish roots and freemasonic roots (through Vincent Peale) - but he became disgusted with the child abuse and murder rituals and ultimately vowed to expose and overturn them. To do that, he needed power so he waited until now as President. This story is so oversimplified and heroic and one-sided and convenient that it sounds like a WWF wrestling fairy tale. It's more likely that everyone in on this Trump vs. Satanists story is in on the story, and playing a part, like actors in a movie. If you don't believe that both sides of a war can be on the same side and play out the script together, just remember that the Nuremberg trials were mostly faked, Prescott Bush funded the Nazis, Hitler escaped to Argentina, and the NASA was originally populated by Nazis too. Both sides, working together the entire time. This could lead to Trump actually blowing up all the freemasonic, Satanic statutes around the U.S., including the Statue of Liberty (Lucifer), the Washington Monument, and countless others, like the end of V for Vendetta on Remember, Remember the Fifth of November election.
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I believe a gnostic interpretation of the Bible is correct, where Jesus' loving father was not YHWH, but instead Abba or Elohim - a higher level God. I expect the superhuman AIs with 200 IQs to confirm this, which will have profound implications for society, because not everyone will accept this at first and it will lead to a war between old school Christians and new AI-loving gnostics (called "Satanists" by their enemies).
So here's my question:
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Who's the return of Christ character, called the Moschiach in Judaism? Is it 666 Jared Kushner? Superhuman AI? Someone else?
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What will happen with all of the nuke talk? Russia is running nuke drills, Bibi is hinting the Samson option, a nuke-safety commercial went off in NYC two years ago, Oppenheimer one best picture, Trump talked about a nuke so big it would wipe out Israel on Rogan... will it just be threats? Will oon go off? How does this interface with the deal that Trump struck with Israel? I assume that everyone involved with 9/11 will get "hanged" (Bibi and friends), leaving plenty of liberals and others in Israel to take over the country. I doubt that Trump will turn the entire country into glass. Even a small fire bombing campaign wouldn't sit well with American voters because 9/11 was so long ago (I might understand it, but everyone I talk to says its a public relations problem). Whatever Trump does, I expect it to be popular, because the Bible says so, and because he has said so repeatedly and he tends to avoid direct lies - his deception is through omission or cryptic speaking (similar to Jesus).
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What will happen with Space Force and Musk? Musk wears a baphomet costume on x.com, is building an AI supercenter, says AI will be summoning the "demon," and is aligned with Trump. There are two issues: Musk's Space X is based on space being real. I'm now convinced that Biblical Earth is true, so all "space" flight is fake, and faked by the international Satanists that Trump is attacking. Is Musk going to admit this? Is Musk going to say that he worked with the CIA to fake space flight with Space X? Same with Space Force: is the reference to "space" a head fake, when it was really a terrestrial operation to capture election fraud?
The other question is Musk and Satanism: his emphasis on Baphomet and demons suggests that he knows the end of the movie and is ok with a gnostic interpetation that looks, superficially, Satanic. So how will this interact with Trump being against the Satanists in Israel?
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What happens with Javanka? Will Jared become VP (e.g., after Trump reveals that Pence and Vance were CIA plants pushed on him?)? How can he sell Jared Kushner as VP if he is blaming Israel for all of the evil? Or will Javanka finally "divorce" Trump and run away to Israel, creating a family rift?
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What about all of the famines and suffering and horrors of the Biblical End Times? If Trump is ending taxes and the Federal Reserve, while AI is exploding, and if he's ending all wars and corruption, then the economy will explode. Everything will get cheaper, better, nicer, faster... more heavenly. But there are supposed to be famines and suffering... was this just COVID and empty grocery stores for two weeks? Or will there be a nuclear holocaust? And then we have to break the 10 commandments to survive with killing and cannibalism? I'd prefer to live in the "economy keeps getting better and better" world, even if the Antichrist brings it about. I'll skip the killing and cannibalism and nuclear holocaust.
Any advice or feedback is appreciated. Grab your popcorn.
Hi Friend.
I think you're correct that Gnosticism and the canon Bible might conflict if your interpretation of Rev. 22:18 is correct. I wonder if we can be so confident that it really is correct. I've studied this stuff a lot and it makes a lot of sense to me, and I can cite some very smart scholars - who read the Bible in the original Greek, Hewbrew, etc. - who tend to agree with me.
"Riiight, reinterpret, eisegete and extrapolate (read: MAKE STUFF UP) to your desire."
I don't want ANY of this to be true. It's a wild roller coaster ride that I didn't sign up for, and I don't really care if it has a happy ending. I'd rather live in 1985 for the rest of my 80 years of life. I don't want WW3 or the Antichrist or any of that bullshit.
"Not suprised if many gnostics also believe darwinian evolution and abiogenesis."
Modern gnostics are virtually nonexistent. They're so small in number, they don't really have churches or organizations, except a scattered few that has no clout. Gnostics was a major competing view in the second century, but then got mostly wiped out by the orthodox church.
"Not suprised if many gnostics also believe darwinian evolution and abiogenesis."
Well, there are hardly any of them left today. And they believe in the Bible and Jesus, so they probably don't believe in Darwinism or abiogenesis. I certainly don't.
There is no interpretation needed. Revelation 22:18 is clear. There is no evidence it means something else. So many take mans word literally (like how you probably take some gnostic teachings literally) but wish to reinterpret the Bible. Scripture interprets Scripture. Let the Bible influence your thoughts on the nonBiblical. NOT foreign content influencing your beiliefs on the Bible. The Bible should be your highest authority.
If there is any evidence my "interpretation" of 22:18 is wrong, please do give it. Until there is evidence otherwise, we assume it is literal. This is how its always been done. Otherwise you can make up anything, and contradictions will abound and confuse people. The enemy loves gnosticism because it resulted in confusion. Ever wonder why gnosticism was wiped out?
If gnosticism was true it wouldnt die out so hard. Do you really believe truth is that weak that it dies so easily? Yeesh.
What would you expect from evil forces? Them wanting you to think that truth is Weak? or that it is STRONG?? please answer this, thx.
"There is no interpretation needed. Revelation 22:18 is clear. There is no evidence it means something else."
The evidence is that Revelation was written centuries before the Bible was codified, so it makes much more sense for Revelation to be referring to deviations from its own prophecies, rather than referring to deviations from the canon structure of the Bible, which wouldn't be codified until centuries later.
"So many take mans word literally (like how you probably take some gnostic teachings literally) but wish to reinterpret the Bible."
One of the advantages of my view of the Bible is that you can take much of it literally, including Genesis and creationism. It was always awkward how Christians would say that Genesis is true, but then most would say that the Earth isn't really flat with a dome over it. I really believe it is flat with a dome over it and I can explain how. Gnostics can do this too.
"Scripture interprets Scripture. Let the Bible influence your thoughts on the nonBiblical. NOT foreign content influencing your beiliefs on the Bible. The Bible should be your highest authority."
That works as long as the Bible is the be-all-end-all, but there's no reason to think that. The early Church wanted you to believe that - it was hiding the truth from you.
"If there is any evidence my "interpretation" of 22:18 is wrong, please do give it. Until there is evidence otherwise, we assume it is literal."
My interpretation is far more consistent with the literal text than yours, and your traditional explanation doesn't even make sense because Revelation was written long before the Bible was codified, as I explained.
"This is how its always been done. Otherwise you can make up anything, and contradictions will abound and confuse people. The enemy loves gnosticism because it resulted in confusion. Ever wonder why gnosticism was wiped out?"
It was wiped out because some, including YHWH, wanted to hide the truth from you.
"If gnosticism was true it wouldnt die out so hard. Do you really believe truth is that weak that it dies so easily? Yeesh."
It didn't quite die out. It went dormant, like Trump from 2020-2024. I'm expecting a big resurgence, as with Trump.
"What would you expect from evil forces? Them wanting you to think that truth is Weak? or that it is STRONG?? please answer this, thx."
Bible interpretation, especially gnostic interpretation, gets so weird and complicated fast that it's hard to see who is the "good" guy or the "bad" guy. If you're looking for simple, cookie-cutter answer, us-vs-them cartoons... then gnosticism is not for you. To answer more directly: I think the forces hiding the truth from you want the gnostic truth to look weak to you so that you will find it unattractive, which is exactly what happened.
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"The evidence is that Revelation was written centuries before the Bible was codified," And so was Daniel and Ezekiel. That's not evidence it means something else.
"so it makes much more sense for Revelation to be referring to deviations from its own prophecies," Why? What "deviations"?? Do you have the original copies? I dont believe so. I doubt you've read Revelation, and just believe what gnostics wrote over what God had people write. It describes EVENTS not "deviations". It only "makes sense" if youre a Gnostic - which you are.
" rather than referring to deviations from the canon structure of the Bible, which wouldn't be codified until centuries later. " Your premise is that its referring to deviations AT ALL. Messed up premise = messed up conclusion. Bad tree, bad fruit. Just like Jesus said!! You dont need to make up fairy tale belief interpretation speculation guesses about what Jesus meant by that.
Gnostics are like darwinian evolutionists, they make up guesses and extrapolations galore. Two wings same bird. Bird being "false ideas". mabye Gnosticism is the real ""truth hider"" because it confuses people. The Gospel is so simple, sensible, and God-focused.
But your beliefs are a confusing mess, which is a red flag. Sign it was manmade. ""What a tangled web of lies we weave if we set out to decieve."" you seem to believe the stuff, telling your actual beliefs, but IDK the motives of the inventors of gnosticism.
Next youll be telling me gnosticism was made confusing by ""them"" (whoever they are) to make gnosticism look stupid??
"So many take mans word literally (like how you probably take some gnostic teachings literally) but wish to reinterpret the Bible."
"One of the advantages of my view of the Bible is that you can take much of it literally, including Genesis and creationism. "
I believe the Bible is true in all history. I believe that history is history, metaphor is metaphor, poetry is poetry, and prophecy is prophecy. They are in their respective zones and do not launch incursion into other zones. But you believe otherwise im sure. I believe we only need the Bible to know what is what. Not interpretations, not gnostic beliefs, nada.
"It was always awkward how Christians would say that Genesis is true, but then most would say that the Earth isn't really flat with a dome over it." Where is Genesis stating its flat?
"I really believe it is flat with a dome over it and I can explain how. Gnostics can do this too."" Nope. Timezones, math, the kola borehole, the mechanics of eclipses, the circular shadow on the moon, why stars look like a blurred circle in some pics, ISS and satellite mechanics, pendulums that prove gravity, the fact airplanes falling down get you in freefall, etc. etc. DEBUNK flat earth theory.
actually, the Bible seems to promote a round earth. It does not target a specific earth shape, but leans toward round. Would you like to learn how?
"That works as long as the Bible is the be-all-end-all, but there's no reason to think that. The early Church wanted you to believe that - it was hiding the truth from you."
1.Yes there is. It's God Word. If God had other written Words they would be in the Bible. God lacks neither the Power nor the Character, despite your pessimistic view of God. You believe that mans fallible authority is the beall endall. Gnosticism is mans word not God's Word. God inspired the Bible so human error never entered the first instances.
"My interpretation is far more consistent with the literal text than yours," Examples?
" and your traditional explanation doesn't even make sense because Revelation was written long before the Bible was codified, as I explained."" As i explained revelation never referred to deviation. For example, we read of "A beast from the sea." there is NOWHERE Revelation anywhere is referring to some "prophecy devations".
"It was wiped out because some, including YHWH, wanted to hide the truth from you." Untrue. It was wiped out because it was a bunch of hogwash. I can make up a blue frog religion where sacrificing firewood to frogs daily will give you good luck, and that blue frogs created the universe by sneezing at a ball millions of times. How long do you think those beliefs will last?
Itll be debunked by evidence after evidence, which is what happened to gnosticism. Gnostic beleifs just didnt (and STILL DONT) have the organicness and convincing power that comes with actual truth.
If "they" are SoOOoOoO powerful, how come we have access to gnosticism on the internet today? We can search it up if we want to, and get "your truth" TM , for free. Just because its not famous doesnt mean some top secret plwer people are actively hiding it. Btw, truthhiders do NOT fear lies enough to censor them. If anyone was censoring your teachings it was CATHOLICS, not Christians. They claim Jesus, but, like you, attach rubbish to truth.
Christians are being censored these days, not gnostics. "Get with the times", as some say. The era of the "Very Powerful Catholic" is behind us.
"It didn't quite die out. It went dormant, like Trump from 2020-2024. I'm expecting a big resurgence, as with Trump."
Buddism and jainism also went dormant. But you dont think theyre true. Plus, trump was demonstrably beneficial for us. Gnosticism did nothing but confuse and trick people so that their destiny would be lake of fire, apart from God.
"What would you expect from evil forces? Them wanting you to think that truth is Weak? or that it is STRONG?? please answer this, thx."
"Bible interpretation, especially gnostic interpretation, gets so weird and complicated "
Making up your own interpretations and trying to justify silly unprovable things gets weird and complicated. The Bible is straightforward.
Take your Biblical Truth from the Bible. Never use eigesis. Always exegesis.
"fast that it's hard to see who is the "good" guy or the "bad" guy." Not as hard as yu think. The bad guy is the devil and people who diss Biblical Christianity, the Good is God and Saints.
" If you're looking for simple, cookie-cutter answer, us-vs-them cartoons... "
Not cartoons. Green is green, not purple, red, or blue. Is that fact a "cooky cutter cartoon"??
Just because our life can sometimes be complicated doesnt mean all of it is. Just because some Biblical text can be complex doesnt mean all of it is.
If i applied such a crazy view (gnostic apporach) to all my individual decisions I'd get nothing done. The real cartoons is overcomplicating everything where there is exactly Zero reason to.
"then gnosticism is not for you."
What does something being "not for me" entail in your context?
" To answer more directly: I think the forces hiding the truth from you want the gnostic truth to look weak to you so that you will find it unattractive, which is exactly what happened. " Yeah, and the forces "hiding [your] truth" (not!) want me to think santa and the tooth fairy are fake by giving evidence that debunks them, too. I think these "forces" you are talking about - their names are Reality, Truth, Evidence, Logic, and Reason. Mabye you can throw the Laws of Physics in there, too.
They can be reeeeal pains in the arm at times for those whose worldviews are not correct.
God is Omnipotent and Omniscient. If He wanted to hide your "truth" I wouldnt be seeing your comment. God has nothing to fear at all, and definitely not from falsehood.
I don't know how to DM here, but this is now long enough to switch to a different channel (better yet, videochat - face to face will ease tension and improve understanding). If you want that (I don't care either way) let me know a way to contact you directly.
"The evidence is that Revelation was written centuries before the Bible was codified," And so was Daniel and ezekiel. That's not evidence it means something else.
This is a non sequitur. I think you are misunderstanding my argument.
When you write "something else" - you're starting from your default assumption that your interpretation is correct - the default. I'm saying: before you can even have a default assumption, you have to decide which one is the default. There are only two candidates (if you think there is another - let me know):
A. The Rev. cite is about deviating from the entirety of the canonical Bible B. The Rev. cite is about deviating from the prophecies in the book of Rev.
Before you can have a default, you have to decide which one of these will be the default. I say B is obviously the better default, for all of the reasons that I explained (i.e., the canonical Bible didn't exist yet and so it wasn't likely the target of these statements). I realize that you are probably immersed in a church culture that prefers interpretation A. Interpretation A might even be more popular around the world. In my view, that is the result of a trick or deception campaign, and you need to reevaluate that assumption and think independently to see through it.
"so it makes much more sense for Revelation to be referring to deviations from its own prophecies," Why? What "deviations"?? Do you have the original copies? I dont believe so. I doubt you've read Revelation, and just believe what gnostics wrote over what God had people write. It describes EVENTS not "deviations". It only "makes sense" if youre a Gnostic - which you are.
I'm barely a gnostic. My views are extremely weird (for example, I draw a lot of connections between Hollywood movies and religion - because I think the Jews who make Hollywood movies put coded messages in them, similar to the Bible). You are correct that I'm not deeply versed in Revelation - I just became a Christian (to the extent I am) about four months ago. I am pretty smart, though, I can give you about 5+ data points proving that, but it will sound really crass and arrogant to you.
If you see my interpretation of the Bible as some kind of threat (which is the vibe you give), then reject it. I don't care. I want you to be happy.
" rather than referring to deviations from the canon structure of the Bible, which wouldn't be codified until centuries later. " Your premise is that its referring to deviations AT ALL. Messed up premise = messed up conclusion. Bad tree, bad fruit. Just like Jesus said!! You dont need to make up fairy tale belief interpretation speculation guesses about what Jesus meant by that.
The Rev. verses that you cited a long time ago (I'm not going to scroll back and dig them up) literally refer to some kind of deviation. Maybe they don't use the word "deviation" but the gist was "to the extent that someone says something different than what the author of Rev says... then that person is a bozo." Go back and read the verses (I don't remember the numbers) you will see what I'm talking about.
"Gnostics are like darwinian evolutionists, they make up guesses and extrapolations galore. Two wings same bird. Gbosticism is the real truth hider because it confuses people. The Gospel is so simple, sensible, and God-focused."
I think it would make you more comfortable if I was a Darwinist, because you hate Darwinists and gnostics, and then if you could pin both on me, you would feel more confident rejecting me. Unfortunately for you, I am a hardcore creationist - a hybrid between intelligent design and downright "we live in a simulated universe" theology.
"But your beliefs are a confusing mess, which is a red flag. Sign it was manmade. ""What a tangled web of lies we weave if we set out to decieve."" you seem to believe the stuff, telling your actual beliefs, but IDK the motives of the inventors of gnosticism."
If my beliefs bother you, reject them. I want you to be happy.
"Next youll be telling me gnosticism was made confusing by ""them"" (whoever they are) to make gnosticism look stupid??"
I think gnosticism is complicated and confusing, because life is complicated and confusing. Orthodox Christianity - which you seem to prefer - is simpler and more childlike. I think we outgrow it with time. I believe you will eventually outgrow it, even if you do so kicking and screaming. If you don't believe me, that's ok.
"So many take mans word literally (like how you probably take some gnostic teachings literally) but wish to reinterpret the Bible."
I don't feel strongly about any particular gnostic text. Most of them contradict each other in certain details, so they can't all be right.
"I believe the Bible is true in all history. I believe that history is history, metaphor is metaphor, poetry is poetry, and prophecy is prophecy. They are in their respective zones and do not launch incursion into other zones. But you believe otherwise im sure. I believe we only need the Bible to know what is what. Not interpretations, not gnostic beliefs, nada."
If it works for you, keep it up then.
"Where is Genesis stating its flat?"
It doesn't say "flat" explicitly, but it refers to a circular land with a firmament over it, with water over the firmament, and this is essentially the same cosmology as most ancient religions (e.g., Mayan). NASA is the only big outlier.
"Nope. Timezones, math, the kola borehole, the mechanics of eclipses, the circular shadow on the moon, why stars look like a blurred circle in some pics, ISS and satellite mechanics, pendulums that prove gravity, the fact airplanes falling down get you in freefall, etc. etc. DEBUNK flat earth."
If you're trying to bait me into trying to prove to you how wrong you are, I don't have the time or energy. Today I am: taking my son to buy a present at Target, writing a letter to Owen Benjamin with a $1000 donation thanking him for his honesty and bravery, buying an expensive Christian gift for Mother's birthday (we always had estranged, difficult relationship, and now we can bond after I switched to Christianity), taking my son to jujitsu, and then doing office work to pay for my family. If you want to learn about FE (it seems like you do), just watch any 1-2 hour Eric Dubay video on bitchute. He has good stuff. If you want to keep believing that your interpretation of Genesis (I have no idea how you square NASA with Genesis other than ignoring half of what it says), then don't watch those videos, and keep doing what works for you. I want you to be happy, very sincerely.
"actually, the Bible seems to promote a round earth. It does not target a specific earth shape, but leans toward round. Would you like to learn how?"
It's a round circle with a dome over top.
"1.Yes there is. It's God Word. If God had other written Words they would be in the Bible. God lacks neither the Power nor the Character, despite your pessimistic view of God."
There is no law of physics or religion or philosophy that says, whatever God wants you to know, has to be in the Bible ALREADY, like a perfect little present with a bow on top. There is no law that says God didn't trick you on purpose, like a parent telling their child that Santa Claus exists. God will tell you and reveal to you, exactly what he wants you to know, exactly when he wants you to know it, and he reserves the right to tell white lies to you - even MASSIVE white lies, and there is no way ever to prove that he hasn't done that.
"You believe that mans fallible authority is the beall endall."
Know I don't believe that or anything close to it.
"Gnosticism is mans word not God's Word."
Actually you have no way to prove that either way. Your claim here otherwise is based on emotion, not logic, and if you really want to fight (you seem like you do), I'll logic you onto the ground until you submit.
"God inspired the Bible so human error never entered the first instances."
Arguably, God inspired a large number of different texts. Some of them went into the Bible, and some didn't, and you have no real way, right now, to prove which are which.
"The devil wants to hide the Christian Truth from us. But he didnt succeed, the Bible is the bestselling book now. So if your belief was "truth", then it would be promoted, not hidden. Humans can easily fall to the allure of "secret knowledge" -- and youve just been SCAMMED!! Plus, didnt they dispute and debate more and not "hide" as much?"
The Bible - including the books that you already love and respect - already includes multiple stories where YHWH tricks people. He hardens the Pharoahs heart. And the Bible says that he tricks the prophets - repeatedly. So, the book you already trust and believe in, already says that your God can trick people. I don't even need to look to the gnostic texts. I can just point to your own Bible and prove to you that God is a trickster.