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Is this a Christian movement. Yes I know there R many that are and even some that don't yet say they are..and we invite them in all the same. So I'm curious how you all see things.
Well, for example, when Christians were trying to Christianize Germany, they had a very easy go of it for the most part, right up to āThou shalt not commit murder.ā
The Germans would just look at them and respond something like, ābut if he is a pussy why should I not kill him and take his things if I wantzink them? I mean, he ist dead now, and Deutschland ist stronker without ze pussy now, ja?ā
Presumably, in Spain they may have had similar problems with getting the women to stop having sex with dogs.
We also have tons of people now who are a-ok with lying. California is overrun by thieves, who āarenāt thievesā āas long as itās under $1,000ā.
And thatās just the Ten Commandments. Thereās a lot more, and not just the parts about āstop yer lusting and ābatin and pr0nā that we are stuck on right now.
Weāve been living in the Christian paradigm for so long that we donāt even notice it has been the Christian paradigm anymore, but the natural state of man is to go after what I want, right now, insofar as I can get away with it, no different than any other animal.
And why wouldnāt it be? If thereās no God, and thereās no soul (Iām going with the atheist view here, not say, Hindu), then as long as nobody kills me or successfully does something to me that I donāt like in response, whatās my problem with it?
Well, aside from the personal judgments that will be handed out before The Throne after death, it makes things go to hell in this world, now.
So holding those things as the legal and social standards, to some extent is what would make this a Christian nation, and it is what our laws were originally founded on.
Is that the sort of response you are looking for?
Laws against murder is not by any stretch of the imagination exclusive to Christianity.
The same thing with the Ten Commandments, save for the one about not worshipping other gods. Yet there are no laws forbidding people from worshipping other gods.
In fact, the first amendment gives us the right to worship who we choose, if we choose.
So right there the US Constitution contradicts the Bible.
I'm still looking for how the US being a Christian nation affects our lives. I really wish someone would answer this for me. What does it mean to you? I'm not talking about what our forefathers were doing when they were writing the Constitution. I'm talking about how it affects things now.
I get the impression that people subconsciously believe that Christians should get special, preferential treatment, but don't want to come out and say it. And there have been the odd few who think that only Christians should be allowed to live here.
Going to all the trouble of laying out all this trying to prove that the US is a Christian nation is pointless if there is no benefit in it for Christians.
The fact that we are currently in a place where the entire world has been invited inside our walls without our consultation does complicate things, but what do you mean by special treatment?
I think we understand that some/all types of Islam have trouble coexisting with other religions. Where Christianity will just debate you and talk to you, Islam may occasionally decide to remove heads or tax the unconverted at 90% rates. If the special treatment is not being forced to convert to Islam or die, then yes, we would generally like that special treatment.
There are real issues with thinking everyone can just live together in close proximity with any sort of population/culture mixture and under the same laws while strumming guitars around a campfire. The feeling on that front is likely mutual between abortion clinic operators and evangelical pastors, for instance.
Well, for instance, when a 100 foot tall statue of a Hindu monkey god goes up in a land, Christians believe that place is cursed. When child sacrifice is prevalent in any area, those people have a tendency to get wiped out hard.
So yes, the benefit is that Godās wrath doesnāt hit us like 2lb lugnut hailstones falling from the sky, which we donāt like.
We also believe we should be able to raise our children praying in school, which was the case until the 1960s (and in some places, even to the 80ās and 90ās)
You might argue that the curse is all in our minds, we would argue that you are seeing the early judgments of those curses play out in front of your eyes right now, and without repentance they will get much worse.
Do you believe that only Christians should live here? Or simply exclude Muslims?
This is the type of thing I mean about special treatment. I'm going to go out on a limb and say you would not be happy if schools started having school wide Islamic prayers every school day. Yet you wish for the return of school led praying for Christians. I think that's a very good example of what I mean by special treatment.
It is, because you asked for it, and so I tried to come up with examples of it.
You know what, though? If it is a Christian country, thatās not special treatment, because a Christian country would operate itself under Christian expectations and standards.
Further, if we stop being forced to pay into public schools where everyone plays by the same rules, and people are allowed to school their children where they want, and how they want, more than āspecial treatmentā, it becomes American treatment, and the people are no longer slaves, told what, how, and when to do things, but free men under God who do things how they well please.
Now, if schools started praying Islamic prayers, and everyone was forced to attend them, and pray those prayers, and there was no way out of it, not only would America not be a Christian nation anymore, but an Islamic one, but it would not be America anymore, because they would remove American law and implement Muslim law.
I presented it as āspecial treatmentā, because under the current system it is, and that is what you asked for, but under the American method of operation, it is not.
So again, it matters when it is said that America is a Christian nation, because that fact is the only reason that the laws operate how they do, in any capacity, when in truth right now we have been heavily under the influence of Socialist and Roman Civic laws, and not American ones, and that has already been bad enough, even if it is only in part.
Again, weāve been living in the Christian paradigm for so long that we donāt even notice it has been the Christian paradigm anymore, and while I canāt tell you what you have to think, you should probably prefer the Christian paradigm to the socialist one or the Islamic one, precisely because they donāt give you a free choice.
By the by, youāre looking at this from a secular standpoint, but you donāt seem to have looked at it from the Christian perspective.
For 65 years, we have been forced to raise our children in secular schools instead of religious ones, and āfor some reasonā have seen our numbers fall off a cliff, while being replaced by corrupting infiltrators and money grasping opportunists and 501C3 cookie cutter seminary regurgitating blowhards. Those schools you say we are requesting special treatment in, we built! Muslims will raise their children in Muslim schools, and Jews will raise their children in Jewish schools, Secularists have demanded to raise their children in secular schools, but Christians must give their children a good secular humanist education using books written by British intelligence agencies. So yes, we would like to have the āspecial treatmentā of being allowed to raise our children in Godās moral framework without being forced to pay 4 times more than everyone else to do so.
When it is said āthis is a Christian nationā, what should be being said is a cry of lament that āthis was a Christian nation, may our Father please forgive us our transgressions that have turned His back on us to bring us into this foreign land run by men whose gods are Violence and coerced Control!ā
As is, neither I nor any other Christian have any country on Earth to call home, unless this disaster is healed. Is that fair? As I noted you should tell us, though, itās a result of our sins, and my pleas should be to God to heal hearts, not for you to change your mind.
May peace find you, and all of us. š„ŗš
Haha so, one fault you should point out with us when we say that is, āYouāre pleading with men for mercy, why arenāt you pleading with your God instead if heās so powerful and youāre so faithful?ā
And youād be right in pointing that out, though it certainly puts you in the bad position of Pharaoh, but thatās only important if itās real, I guess.
Frankly I think some people need that kick, so you could consider it a public service.