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This may help people understand why we're saving Israel for last. (twitter.com) 💊 RED PILLTROCITY 💊
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– Rootcause 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

God saved His people - the remnant starting on the Day of Pentecost. "Jews" from all over the Roman Empire were filled with the Holy Ghost. That marked the beginning of the restoration of Israel. In addition the Christians believers were also physically saved from death by fleeing Jerusalem before the armies (Roman) were compassed about it. Read Josephus - what did the Christians in Jerusalem do? They fled the city? Why? Because they had been warned by Jesus (see Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21).

In the New Testament who are God's People? It's all those who are "in Christ". Both "Jew" and "Gentile". The New Testament Church started as a 100% Jewish institution - Samaritans, then Gentiles were added later....Read Romans chapter 11 - the Olive Tree. You have believing Jews as branches; unbelieving Jews who are broken off branches (who can be grafted back in if they believe); then finally there are the believing Gentiles who are grafted in among the believing Jews. That describes God's People....

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– photobuf 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

This happened in 1948. Jer_29:14  And I will be found of you, saith the LORD: and I will turn away your captivity, and I will gather you from all the nations, and from all the places whither I have driven you, saith the LORD; and I will bring you again into the place whence I caused you to be carried away captive.

The Jews were not scattered into ALL NATIONS until 70AD when Rome drove them out of their land and killed over a million of them. What you believe is called Amillennialism which was started by Origen and picked up later by Augustine when Christianity became the State religion.

Romans 11: The Gentiles are of the wild olive tree and we are grafted in to the root---the ROOT is Israel---Romans 9-11 tells how God will save Israel or the Jews but ALL will have to come to Jesus to be saved.

Zec 12:10  And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. 

The Jews will repent and recognize the Jesus was the Messiah but all this is future!

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– Rootcause 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

The "Jews" had already been scattered prior to 70AD. The 2nd Temple was destroyed in 70AD. The 1st Temple had already been destroyed by the Babylonians and the "Jews" were scattered. Paul mentions the elect and the remnant. The remnant of the Jews were gathered in Jerusalem on the Day of Pentecost. They repented and confessed that Jesus was the Messiah. The process continues to this day.

What you believe is dispensationalism - popularized by the Scofield Reference Bible and John Nelson Darby and the Plymouth Brethren.

So do you think Romans 11 means every single "Jew" will be saved? Romans 9:6 - " Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:" Again the "Jews" started repenting on the Day of Pentecost. The early church started as 100% "Jewish". The Church is the New Jerusalem!

In the New Testament WHO is a Jew?

Paul (A Jew) gives us the answer in Romans 2:28-29 - " For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God."

All indeed will have to come to Jesus to be saved - but guess what? According to Romans only a remnant will! Romans 9:27 - “Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:”

There is only one gospel - one Church composed of Jew and Gentile. God only has one bride. Today all are welcome to come into the Church. The doors are not closed to the Jew or the Gentile.

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– photobuf 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

The "Jews" had already been scattered prior to 70AD. The 2nd Temple was destroyed in 70AD. The 1st Temple had already been destroyed by the Babylonians and the "Jews" were scattered. Paul mentions the elect and the remnant. The remnant of the Jews were gathered in Jerusalem on the Day of Pentecost. They repented and confessed that Jesus was the Messiah. The process continues to this day.

The Jews were only in Babylon. The Israelites were in Assyria until Babylon conquered Assyria and then they were taken into Babylon as slaves. They were NOT in ALL NATIONS.

What you believe is dispensationalism - popularized by the Scofield Reference Bible and John Nelson Darby and the Plymouth Brethren.

What I believe is what the Bible teaches and the Bible teaches the Jews were scattered into all nations---70AD---and they will be regathered into the land----Ezek 36-37 in the end times. Russia and Iran with a confederacy of other nations--all Muslim--will come against Israel--Zach 12-14--and God will intervene to save them from total destruction. Ezek 38-39. Dispensationalism is what the Bible teaches from the OT to the NT.

You are correct in being ONE Church---Jew and Gentile-- but that does not negate the promises God made to Abraham, Issac and Jacob.

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– Rootcause 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Here's a good video on the subject of dispensationalism:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQyMHkXETks

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– Rootcause 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

The promises made to Abraham, Issac and Jacob? Sure the promises are there - but under the new and better covenant who inherits the promises? Galatians says it's those that are "in Christ". Those in Christ are the "Abraham's seed" - both Jew and Gentile. Studying the covenants are the key to understanding the promises.

Galatians 3:26-49 - "For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."

Dispensationalism teaches that Israel never possessed the land. But God kept his promises and gave them the land:

Joshua 23: 43-45 - "So the Lord gave to Israel all the land of which He had sworn to give to their fathers, and they took possession of it and dwelt in it. The Lord gave them rest all around, according to all that He had sworn to their fathers. And not a man of all their enemies stood against them; the Lord delivered all their enemies into their hand. Not a word failed of any good thing which the Lord had spoken to the house of Israel. All came to pass."

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