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The first thing that sticks out to me is the reduced number of ingredients. Original: 24 ingredients, while new has 18 ingredients. This change suggests, to me, that the formulators (those individuals in charge of making the new product) were instructed to simplify the formula to reduce costs.
I'm seeing a higher concentration of Poly Ethylene Glycol (PEG) and a change in type (PEG-20 in original vs PEG-80 in new). The number after the PEG refers to the relative molecular weight. The PEG-80 might be a more potent thickener, but could have more contaminants and make it more difficult to wash off.
I'd need to look up the partition coefficients for PEG-20 vs PEG-80 in an octanol/water solution. I suspect that PEG-20 favors water, while PEG-80 favors the octanol. Octanol is more similar to human skin, while water is water. So if PEG-80 favors the octanol, then it would prefer to be dissolved in your skin than the water.
The other big change that I see is there is a reduced number of fragrances. In the original there are 3 scents: Fruit, Cadinum, and Myrrh. The new formulation has only two: flower oil and myrrh oil. The changes in fragrances could have something to do with the smell. Both use oat oil, but the second formulation has it in higher weight ratio than the original.
I also see Caprylyl Glycol. While the internet describes the chemical as a "hydrating agent" (fancy term: humectant), I believe it also falls under the category of a "monoglyceride" or a fat with one fatty-ester bond on the glycerol backbone. If its derivation is from glydcerol + caproic acid (a fatty acid derived from goats), then that might be another source of the smell.
My guess? They formulated based on the physical characteristics (e.g. viscosity, thermal profile) and rushed a cheaper product out the door.
I love this board, I learn so much from you all. Thank you so much for educating me on subjects that I had no idea about.