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Fun facts Catholics hate:
There is no role or position of Pope in the Bible.
Neither the Pope or any Catholic priest meets the biblical requirements for a pastor or elder of the church as laid out by 1 Timothy 3:1–7 and Titus 1:5–9.
There is zero examples of praying to ANYONE besides God in scripture. Catholics pray to Mary and saints.
The Catholic Church was persecuting and executing people for translating scripture into English so the common people could read it. (Faggot gatekeeping)
Catholics will always say "MuH tRaDiTiOn!" which is the same argument that the Pharisees used and Jesus rebuked.
(God's Word is our standard and we are instructed to test everything with scripture)
I could go on and on but IMO I think the Protestant Reformation was the the faithful church went in large part. Coincidentally In large part the people that founded this great nation.
I noticed a downdoot without a comment.
Proves your point IMHO.
Fair enough, I'm not great at apologetics nor do I post often so here goes:
The office did not exist at this time, so yes this is true.
You're referring to celibacy of the clergy. This was not mandated at this point, of course even Peter was married. Celibacy has never been stated as a dogma, doctrine, or tenet of the faith. It's a discipline which was adopted over time. Besides, these are pastoral letters and not the words of Jesus himself. The entire bible is Divine Revelation, and you don't get to follow just the parts of scripture that fit your own beliefs.
mUh CatHOlIcS woRsHip MaRY. Do you talk to grandma, dead friends, etc. whom you assume to be in heaven? So why is it a problem to talk to the Mother of God, or someone who lived a saintly life? Are they not good examples of Christian living?
Translations have never been banned, the requirement was that it needed to be approved by the bishops to ensure bad actors (Calvin, Jews) weren't changing things. The bible has always been translated back to antiquity.
OK, so where do you draw the line at when tradition stops being a good thing?
See my comments re: the pastoral letters, again you're cherry picking what fits your narrative.
How can you call a group who's name means "protest" and broke away from the church, faithful. Yes the church was in need of reform then, and it was largely underway. Luther himself wasn't looking to break off and start a new church. It was all about GREED, the greed of the nobility that wanted to get their hands on church property. It took on a life of it's own. The persecution under Henry VIII, Elizabeth I, and the Vendee all speak for itself. The entire thing was a massive transfer of wealth.
For the most part I don't doubt the good intentions of prots. They're taught 30 or 40 verses, no history, and no context. They deploy the same easily debunkable falsehoods over and over, which are misconceptions at best and lies at worst. There are a hundred other things to say here but I'm not going to convince anyone. I would just say to treat this like any other rabbit hole you see around GAW. Check out Candace's conversion story, and read City of God or Belloc. Consider that when someone leaves the church they are >90% of the time pissed off and angry; yet when someone comes TO the church it is said they are coming home and have found peace.
I think you replied to the wrong anon.
Although I do agree with whom you quoted. And I did share my opinion which is in stark contrast to yours.
God bless.
Nah you pointed it out so I just hit reply. Same to you
When Jesus told Peter, "And upon this rock I will build my church" (Matthew 16:18), the "rock" He referred to is best understood in the context of Peter’s confession of faith and the broader teachings of Scripture. Here’s a breakdown:
Just prior to this statement, Peter declared, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God” (Matthew 16:16).
The "rock" is Peter’s confession that Jesus is the Messiah and the Son of God. This faith in Christ is the foundational truth upon which the church is built.
Throughout Scripture, Jesus Himself is repeatedly referred to as the "rock" or cornerstone:
“For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ” (1 Corinthians 3:11).
“The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone” (Psalm 118:22; Ephesians 2:20).
“That rock was Christ” (1 Corinthians 10:4).
Thus, the ultimate "rock" is Christ Himself.
The Greek wordplay in this passage is significant. Jesus says:
"You are Peter (Πέτρος, Petros, meaning ‘stone’), and on this rock (πέτρα, petra, meaning ‘large rock or bedrock’) I will build my church."
Peter (as an apostle) plays a foundational role in the church, but the "rock" is not Peter himself, as he is a fallible man. Instead, his role is tied to proclaiming the truth of Christ, the true foundation.
The church is built upon the apostles and prophets with Jesus as the cornerstone (Ephesians 2:20). The "rock" signifies the truth of Christ’s identity and mission, revealed to Peter by God (Matthew 16:17).
Conclusion
The "rock" Jesus referred to is the truth that He is the Christ, the Son of God. While Peter was instrumental in the early church, Christ Himself remains the ultimate foundation and cornerstone upon which the church is built. This interpretation aligns with the rest of Scripture, which consistently points to Christ as the unshakable foundation.
Thank you!
To be fair I have a very customized and trained LLM / AI that I have made just for theological discussions and inquiries that I used to generate that.
It saves me time and helps me explained and spread solid theology.
Gab.ai has some custom ones that you can step right into and get the perspectives from theological greats like Spurgeon and otherwise if you take a look. They're not perfect but they're better than chat GPT