is Russia going to be able to keep the region of Ukraine that wants to be part of Russia? those people in that region have been through hell and back, before the war even started.
I’m curious where people get the idea that the residents of those regions want to be part of Russia. Is it from the same kind of fake news we all claim to despise?
It’s similar to how, in the U.S., there are people in places like California (and elsewhere) who might want to dismantle our country or believe we’d be better off belonging to another nation. And just like we say here: if you think somewhere else is better, then move there.
My wife and two children were born just a few miles south of one of the contested regions. From my perspective, the only people who want to be part of Russia are the Russians who moved into the area and tried to take over.
I believe this war is exactly what most of us think it is: a corrupt operation. But that doesn’t change the fact that there are regular, patriotic people in Ukraine who want nothing to do with the corruption, the war, or Russia. Just like here, the majority of people there simply want to live in peace and move on with their lives.
Anyone can downvote if they would like, don't take my comments the wrong way. I don't support any weapons transfers, ect and I believe in the biolabs, but what about all of the citizens that want their independence from Russia? None of the news ever talks about what the people want.
I'll dismantle your argument piece by piece, but I'd like to start with this one:
My wife and two children were born just a few miles south of one of the contested regions.
Never trust a Ukranian woman when it comes to politics. They are very emotional and can never give you the full picture of the situation.
In case if you haven't paid attention to social media or just plain old MSM, Ukraine has some of the most entitled people in the world. The reason for it is very simple. Historically everything was handed down to them. They never had to fight for anything.
Their country? Made up by Lenin and given free lands by Stalin and Khrushchev. During the USSR they were the biggest recipients of welfare out of any soviet SSR. So much so that during the dissolution of the said USSR, the proponents were arguing that Russia would immediately be prosperous because they would stop subsidizing Ukraine.
Just as FYI, during the dissolution of the USSR, Ukraine had a GDP similar to France. In 2022, before the war started it was the poorest country in Europe, all of that despite having their industry built up by soviets(Russians in reailty) to the tune of nuclear power plants, coals mines, hydroplants, coal plants. They also have some of the most fertile lands in the world, and yet most of their domestic foods were imported.
In 30+ years of independence, Ukraine became the most corrupt country in Europe, beating out little agrarian Moldova. They had 30+ years to modernize their country and bring it up to western standards. Instead they spent these 30 years doing indentity politics(the national kind), while their oligarch were siphoning trillions overseas.
And who is to blame for all of this? Russia of course
Ukraine doesn't know how to be an independnt country. Their entire existence they were occupied by either Poland or Russia. That's why they are looking to join the EU and NATO. When you are a slave, slavery feels like the norm.
I’m curious where people get the idea that the residents of those regions want to be part of Russia. Is it from the same kind of fake news we all claim to despise?
The fake news echos your talking points. If we listen to the fake news, Crimea wants to return to Ukranine too.(you know despite the fact that it tried to secede in 3 separate occassions in the 1990's and rejoin Russia.)
From my perspective, the only people who want to be part of Russia are the Russians who moved into the area and tried to take over.
That's bold faced lie. Unless of course you mean, the Russian that colonized eastern Ukraine after the mongols got kicked out back in 1600's. That area became known as Novorossia(New Russia).
Here is a map of how they voted before the civil war started. Notice anything? All of the military opeations are currently going in on in the areas that have 70% support for Yanukovich.(which was a democratically elected pro-Russian President)
It’s similar to how, in the U.S., there are people in places like California (and elsewhere) who might want to dismantle our country or believe we’d be better off belonging to another nation
The situation is more akin to Texas before it joined the Union. Imagine if the US had to fight off a Mexico that was bankrolled by all the European empires for Texas. That's basically what's going on in Ukraine.
But that doesn’t change the fact that there are regular, patriotic people in Ukraine who want nothing to do with the corruption, the war, or Russia.
I really laughed at this one because it's a typical Ukrainian talking point.
Muh brave Ukranians vs the corrupt Russians.
In reality these brave Ukranians fled en masse abroad. I went home last summer(I'm from eastern Europe too) and all my country is overun by these "brave Ukranians". Military aged men that live on the welfare of my country and tell me how brave they are. You can't make it up. And it's not just my country, all of western Europe is fed up with this shit as well.
They literally pay their drafting officers so they wouldn't be sent to the front lines. There are countless videos of Ukranian men being kidnapped off the streets and forced to join the military.
As someone said: Russia is paying their soliders to go to the front lines while the Ukranian soldiers pay to be taken off the front line.
And there is your corrupt Russia vs noble Ukraine in a nutshel.
Thank you fren for writing all this so I don't have to :).
"ukraine" is not a country. Who names their country "Border region". Nobody. It's always been part of Russia. Besides the western part that was part of Austria-Hungary. And that part is where the hardcore nazis come from, where bandera came from.
FFS, Odessa was founded by Catherine the Great, Tzarina of Russia.
is Russia going to be able to keep the region of Ukraine that wants to be part of Russia? those people in that region have been through hell and back, before the war even started.
I’m curious where people get the idea that the residents of those regions want to be part of Russia. Is it from the same kind of fake news we all claim to despise?
It’s similar to how, in the U.S., there are people in places like California (and elsewhere) who might want to dismantle our country or believe we’d be better off belonging to another nation. And just like we say here: if you think somewhere else is better, then move there.
My wife and two children were born just a few miles south of one of the contested regions. From my perspective, the only people who want to be part of Russia are the Russians who moved into the area and tried to take over.
I believe this war is exactly what most of us think it is: a corrupt operation. But that doesn’t change the fact that there are regular, patriotic people in Ukraine who want nothing to do with the corruption, the war, or Russia. Just like here, the majority of people there simply want to live in peace and move on with their lives.
Anyone can downvote if they would like, don't take my comments the wrong way. I don't support any weapons transfers, ect and I believe in the biolabs, but what about all of the citizens that want their independence from Russia? None of the news ever talks about what the people want.
I'll dismantle your argument piece by piece, but I'd like to start with this one:
Never trust a Ukranian woman when it comes to politics. They are very emotional and can never give you the full picture of the situation.
In case if you haven't paid attention to social media or just plain old MSM, Ukraine has some of the most entitled people in the world. The reason for it is very simple. Historically everything was handed down to them. They never had to fight for anything.
Their country? Made up by Lenin and given free lands by Stalin and Khrushchev. During the USSR they were the biggest recipients of welfare out of any soviet SSR. So much so that during the dissolution of the said USSR, the proponents were arguing that Russia would immediately be prosperous because they would stop subsidizing Ukraine.
Just as FYI, during the dissolution of the USSR, Ukraine had a GDP similar to France. In 2022, before the war started it was the poorest country in Europe, all of that despite having their industry built up by soviets(Russians in reailty) to the tune of nuclear power plants, coals mines, hydroplants, coal plants. They also have some of the most fertile lands in the world, and yet most of their domestic foods were imported.
In 30+ years of independence, Ukraine became the most corrupt country in Europe, beating out little agrarian Moldova. They had 30+ years to modernize their country and bring it up to western standards. Instead they spent these 30 years doing indentity politics(the national kind), while their oligarch were siphoning trillions overseas.
And who is to blame for all of this? Russia of course
Ukraine doesn't know how to be an independnt country. Their entire existence they were occupied by either Poland or Russia. That's why they are looking to join the EU and NATO. When you are a slave, slavery feels like the norm.
The fake news echos your talking points. If we listen to the fake news, Crimea wants to return to Ukranine too.(you know despite the fact that it tried to secede in 3 separate occassions in the 1990's and rejoin Russia.)
That's bold faced lie. Unless of course you mean, the Russian that colonized eastern Ukraine after the mongols got kicked out back in 1600's. That area became known as Novorossia(New Russia).
Here is a map of how they voted before the civil war started. Notice anything? All of the military opeations are currently going in on in the areas that have 70% support for Yanukovich.(which was a democratically elected pro-Russian President)
https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2014/02/world/ukraine-divided/
The situation is more akin to Texas before it joined the Union. Imagine if the US had to fight off a Mexico that was bankrolled by all the European empires for Texas. That's basically what's going on in Ukraine.
Muh brave Ukranians vs the corrupt Russians.
In reality these brave Ukranians fled en masse abroad. I went home last summer(I'm from eastern Europe too) and all my country is overun by these "brave Ukranians". Military aged men that live on the welfare of my country and tell me how brave they are. You can't make it up. And it's not just my country, all of western Europe is fed up with this shit as well.
They literally pay their drafting officers so they wouldn't be sent to the front lines. There are countless videos of Ukranian men being kidnapped off the streets and forced to join the military.
As someone said: Russia is paying their soliders to go to the front lines while the Ukranian soldiers pay to be taken off the front line.
And there is your corrupt Russia vs noble Ukraine in a nutshel.
Thank you fren for writing all this so I don't have to :).
"ukraine" is not a country. Who names their country "Border region". Nobody. It's always been part of Russia. Besides the western part that was part of Austria-Hungary. And that part is where the hardcore nazis come from, where bandera came from.
FFS, Odessa was founded by Catherine the Great, Tzarina of Russia.
very, very well said!