No, I'm not saying that, God's word says that. I'm just standing on God's Word since I'm not idiotic enough to put my personal feelings above the creator of the universe.
I'll lay out the full arguments here and I'll first remind you that this is very gendered language that is ALWAYS speaking of a man.
The only times in Scripture we see women in any type of leadership role was a sign of judgment from God. (You need to think in the context of the culture at that time. Women were not even considered reliable witnesses and it was shameful to have a woman leading anything thing)
The Bible outlines clear qualifications for pastors (also referred to as elders, overseers, or shepherds) in several passages, primarily in 1 Timothy 3:1–7, Titus 1:5–9, and 1 Peter 5:1–4. These passages describe both character traits and spiritual responsibilities that align with God’s standards for church leadership. Below is a summary of the biblical requirements:
1 Timothy 3:1–7
This passage focuses on the moral and spiritual qualifications for overseers:
Above Reproach: HE must be free from legitimate accusation of wrongdoing.
Husband of One Wife: Faithful and devoted in marriage.
Sober-Minded: Balanced in judgment, not given to extremes.
Self-Controlled: Exhibits mastery over his personal impulses.
Respectable: Displays honorable and dignified behavior.
Hospitable: Welcoming and generous to others.
Able to Teach: Capable of faithfully instructing and defending sound doctrine.
HE must not be a Drunkard: Avoids excessive use of alcohol.
Not Violent but Gentle: Handles conflicts with grace, avoiding aggression.
Not Quarrelsome: Avoids unnecessary disputes and fosters peace.
Not a Lover of Money: Demonstrates contentment and integrity regarding wealth.
HE manages His Household Well: Leads his family with discipline and care, serving as an example.
Not a Recent Convert: Maturity in the faith to avoid pride or instability.
Well-Thought-of by Outsiders: HE has a good reputation even among non-believers.
Titus 1:5–9
Paul provides similar qualifications for elders in Crete, emphasizing their doctrinal soundness:
Above Reproach: As in 1 Timothy, blamelessness is key.
Husband of One Wife: Again, marital faithfulness is critical.
Children Are Believers: Elders must disciple his children effectively.
Not Arrogant: Humility and a servant’s heart are essential.
Not Quick-Tempered: Demonstrates patience and restraint.
Not a Drunkard or Violent: Avoids sinful behaviors tied to anger or substance abuse.
Not Greedy for Gain: Free from covetousness.
Hospitable: Open and caring toward others.
A Lover of Good: Seeks and promotes virtue and righteousness.
Self-Controlled, Upright, Holy, and Disciplined: Exemplifies Christian virtues.
Firm in the Word: Holds fast to sound doctrine, able to teach and refute error.
1 Peter 5:1–4
Peter highlights the shepherding responsibilities of elders:
Shepherd the Flock Willingly: Serve out of love for Christ, not under compulsion.
Not for Shameful Gain: Avoid using ministry as a means for financial or selfish benefit.
Not Domineering but Leading by Example: Exercise authority with humility and as a role model.
Await the Unfading Crown of Glory: Serve with eternity in view, seeking God’s approval.
Theological and Practical Summary
These qualifications emphasize that pastors and elders must be spiritually mature, morally upright, and doctrinally sound MEN who lead both their households and their congregations faithfully. Their character reflects Christ, their teaching upholds Scripture, and their leadership displays humility and care. These standards underscore that the church is Christ’s body and must be led by those who honor Him and His Word.
So ask yourself what societal DEI practices, that pushed the leadership of women into all aspects of life, have made good changes to society?
If you see my point than ask yourself if an omnipotent God, who left instructions for us to follow for our best society, may have already known that women would cloud our vision and that would be bad in the long run.
Stop defending what we want as individuals over what God says. We are all imperfect and need Gods word to guide us. Period.
Men run the world and men have f***ed it up. Weak or corrupt men blame women for their blunders. Typical of what Evil does to divide us all and the "men vs. women" is the oldest trick that Satan pulls.
They want us divided by sex, race, religion, class etc.
Remember?
My point remains. The Bible gives us guide lines to help us. We ignore Him to our peril. We’ve ignored Him and made ourselves God. THAT is my opinion. You be you and you pay that price. Right now we are speaking to the subject of what God says and whether woman should lead. My opinion is when women lead I have felt pain. Sorry if you don’t see that because you are offended.
The "guidelines" you point out are declarations by men, not God.
I'm just pointing out facts that it is butthurt women hating men who are deceived by Satan that are offended by the "lowly" woman being just as important to God's plan as men are.
The human race as created by God should be supporting each other. God commands this.
Bro (correction) Ma’am,,, men have been running the world for EONS and look where we are today.
The inverse of that question is what YOU should be thinking on..
**That said, I don’t blame a gender for what has happened in our society. This crap has been going on forever with each next generation of tyrants building on the last.
Just dawned on me that you must be pretty damn pistoff at President Trump seeing that he’s nominated so many women for key cabinet positions
Kristi Noem (Homeland Security Secretary)
Pam Bondi (Attorney General)
Elise Stefanik (UN Ambassador)
Brooke Rollins (Agriculture Secretary)
Lori Chavez-DeRemer (Labor Secretary)
Linda McMahon (Education Secretary)
Tulsi Gabbard (National Intelligence Director)
Kelly Loeffler (Administrator of the Small Business Administration)
Are you saying that women have no place in preaching?
No, I'm not saying that, God's word says that. I'm just standing on God's Word since I'm not idiotic enough to put my personal feelings above the creator of the universe.
I'll lay out the full arguments here and I'll first remind you that this is very gendered language that is ALWAYS speaking of a man.
The only times in Scripture we see women in any type of leadership role was a sign of judgment from God. (You need to think in the context of the culture at that time. Women were not even considered reliable witnesses and it was shameful to have a woman leading anything thing)
The Bible outlines clear qualifications for pastors (also referred to as elders, overseers, or shepherds) in several passages, primarily in 1 Timothy 3:1–7, Titus 1:5–9, and 1 Peter 5:1–4. These passages describe both character traits and spiritual responsibilities that align with God’s standards for church leadership. Below is a summary of the biblical requirements:
1 Timothy 3:1–7
This passage focuses on the moral and spiritual qualifications for overseers:
Above Reproach: HE must be free from legitimate accusation of wrongdoing.
Husband of One Wife: Faithful and devoted in marriage.
Sober-Minded: Balanced in judgment, not given to extremes.
Self-Controlled: Exhibits mastery over his personal impulses.
Respectable: Displays honorable and dignified behavior.
Hospitable: Welcoming and generous to others.
Able to Teach: Capable of faithfully instructing and defending sound doctrine.
HE must not be a Drunkard: Avoids excessive use of alcohol.
Not Violent but Gentle: Handles conflicts with grace, avoiding aggression.
Not Quarrelsome: Avoids unnecessary disputes and fosters peace.
Not a Lover of Money: Demonstrates contentment and integrity regarding wealth.
HE manages His Household Well: Leads his family with discipline and care, serving as an example.
Not a Recent Convert: Maturity in the faith to avoid pride or instability.
Well-Thought-of by Outsiders: HE has a good reputation even among non-believers.
Titus 1:5–9
Paul provides similar qualifications for elders in Crete, emphasizing their doctrinal soundness:
Above Reproach: As in 1 Timothy, blamelessness is key.
Husband of One Wife: Again, marital faithfulness is critical.
Children Are Believers: Elders must disciple his children effectively.
Not Arrogant: Humility and a servant’s heart are essential.
Not Quick-Tempered: Demonstrates patience and restraint.
Not a Drunkard or Violent: Avoids sinful behaviors tied to anger or substance abuse.
Not Greedy for Gain: Free from covetousness.
Hospitable: Open and caring toward others.
A Lover of Good: Seeks and promotes virtue and righteousness.
Self-Controlled, Upright, Holy, and Disciplined: Exemplifies Christian virtues.
Firm in the Word: Holds fast to sound doctrine, able to teach and refute error.
1 Peter 5:1–4
Peter highlights the shepherding responsibilities of elders:
Shepherd the Flock Willingly: Serve out of love for Christ, not under compulsion.
Not for Shameful Gain: Avoid using ministry as a means for financial or selfish benefit.
Not Domineering but Leading by Example: Exercise authority with humility and as a role model.
Await the Unfading Crown of Glory: Serve with eternity in view, seeking God’s approval.
Theological and Practical Summary
These qualifications emphasize that pastors and elders must be spiritually mature, morally upright, and doctrinally sound MEN who lead both their households and their congregations faithfully. Their character reflects Christ, their teaching upholds Scripture, and their leadership displays humility and care. These standards underscore that the church is Christ’s body and must be led by those who honor Him and His Word.
So ask yourself what societal DEI practices, that pushed the leadership of women into all aspects of life, have made good changes to society? If you see my point than ask yourself if an omnipotent God, who left instructions for us to follow for our best society, may have already known that women would cloud our vision and that would be bad in the long run. Stop defending what we want as individuals over what God says. We are all imperfect and need Gods word to guide us. Period.
As if men can't cloud our vision? LOL
Men run the world and men have f***ed it up. Weak or corrupt men blame women for their blunders. Typical of what Evil does to divide us all and the "men vs. women" is the oldest trick that Satan pulls.
They want us divided by sex, race, religion, class etc. Remember?
My point remains. The Bible gives us guide lines to help us. We ignore Him to our peril. We’ve ignored Him and made ourselves God. THAT is my opinion. You be you and you pay that price. Right now we are speaking to the subject of what God says and whether woman should lead. My opinion is when women lead I have felt pain. Sorry if you don’t see that because you are offended.
The "guidelines" you point out are declarations by men, not God. I'm just pointing out facts that it is butthurt women hating men who are deceived by Satan that are offended by the "lowly" woman being just as important to God's plan as men are.
The human race as created by God should be supporting each other. God commands this.
Bro (correction) Ma’am,,, men have been running the world for EONS and look where we are today.
The inverse of that question is what YOU should be thinking on..
**That said, I don’t blame a gender for what has happened in our society. This crap has been going on forever with each next generation of tyrants building on the last.
Just dawned on me that you must be pretty damn pistoff at President Trump seeing that he’s nominated so many women for key cabinet positions
Kristi Noem (Homeland Security Secretary) Pam Bondi (Attorney General) Elise Stefanik (UN Ambassador) Brooke Rollins (Agriculture Secretary) Lori Chavez-DeRemer (Labor Secretary) Linda McMahon (Education Secretary) Tulsi Gabbard (National Intelligence Director) Kelly Loeffler (Administrator of the Small Business Administration)
👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻🔥🔥🔥🔥
Actually no. I am all for women that are using their sex to get ahead.
So you do think women in leadership roles is a positive???
Kinda hard to follow your train of thought 😁
*I don’t care if a woman uses her gender to get ahead “as long as she’s the right person for the job”.