This would be pretty big news if true, but a websearch of "will cain hegseth panama tunnel" or even just "hegseth panama tunnel china" finds NOTHING where the word "Tunnel" is returned.
Photo of a TV isn't sauce, either.
What a shame. We have LOTS of comment replies here ALL responding as if the subject assertion that "Hegseth said China Is Building A Tunnel Under The Panama Canal" is bona fide verified sauced truth, and there is none.
IT's starting to get painful logging in to GAW and finding so little actual verification or research, and almost wall to wall simple .... reaction. To storylines, to narratives, to claims, but so little sauce or actual real research.
Lol, I'm always late to the party. (Time zones, whatcha gonna do?). Damn. I missed that. My bad.
One reason why I wish that comments where the OP posts sauce could be stickied. More often than not, they get buried under the larger volume of comments when the order is by upvote.
But just to follow up on this, I'm wondering why Hegseth spoke about this in relation to CCP China. All indications are that it's a South Korean consortium who are doing this. (See below). I suppose it's possible that Panama might have been funding this under the CCCP Belt & Road initiative, but so far I can't see evidence for that.
The two articles above have no mention of China, but the third one does:
The South Korean HPH Joint Venture, composed of Hyundai Engineering & Construction Co, POSCO and Hyundai Engineering Co have granted to China Railway Tunnel Group (CRTG) the excavation by TBM of the 5.3 km underwater section between the Panama Pacífico and Albrook stations of the Metro Line 3 in Panama.
HPH JV is responsible for selecting any subcontractor, and MPSA is responsible for ensuring that the company meets the minimum requirements of experience and financial capacity for the assigned tasks.
So it looks like the S-Korean consortium chose the China Railway Tunnel Group to dig the tunnel part of the larger project.
Of course, if a CCP company is involved on any level, they are going to be doing dodgy stuff (spying, surveillance, infiltration, etc), so in that sense, Hegseth's comment is relevant, even though the tunnel itself is part of a larger project which appears to have no direct CCP involvement.
We can speculate that possibly behind the scenes, CCP China used leverage to get the S-Korean consortium to subcontract to a Chinese company for the tunnel, but without direct evidence, it's speculation.
Aside: I don't mean it as a slur on your posting, but the fact still remains that the comment section is full of reactions (how many even listened to the Hegseth interview? which, yes, he mentions a tunnel, in one small sentence, but zero details) all of which gets lots of upvotes, why the actual verification, digging and investigation gets almost none.
Personally, this is why I think that copy/paste, shoot-from-the-hip posting has a generally deleterious affect on the board.
PS. How did you catch this, Joy? Were you listening to Fox News on the TV and picked up on this? It's an interesting nugget.
But, for example, the spin that Hegseth "just revealed" this to Will Cain is a big leap of logic, the implication (or assumption) being that somehow its secret or hidden, which the evidence indicates is not the case, but which a whole army of frogs simply accepted and then commented on. Aka knock-on effect.
The information is quite well known, publicly, and even though in the context that Hegseth is discussing, it's relevant, it's not exactly as if the CCP China as a nation state is digging some secretive tunnel under the Panama Canal for nefarious purposes.
Not saying that CCP China isn't nefarious. It is, and everything they control is bad news, including all the companies that ultimately are subordinate to the CCP. But "China is building a tunnel" is kinda different from "A CCP controlled company has been awarded the contract to dig a tunnel under the Panama Canal as part of a larger project". Don't you think?
(See the few links I dug up, thanks primarily to the link from u/Zappo which got me headed in the right direction, because I'm quite familiar with South Korean conglomerates.)
Sauce for this, J1D?
This would be pretty big news if true, but a websearch of "will cain hegseth panama tunnel" or even just "hegseth panama tunnel china" finds NOTHING where the word "Tunnel" is returned.
Photo of a TV isn't sauce, either.
What a shame. We have LOTS of comment replies here ALL responding as if the subject assertion that "Hegseth said China Is Building A Tunnel Under The Panama Canal" is bona fide verified sauced truth, and there is none.
IT's starting to get painful logging in to GAW and finding so little actual verification or research, and almost wall to wall simple .... reaction. To storylines, to narratives, to claims, but so little sauce or actual real research.
What have I missed here, Joy?
I posted sauce in bold 10 hours ago Fractal...look in comments below 👇
Lol, I'm always late to the party. (Time zones, whatcha gonna do?). Damn. I missed that. My bad.
One reason why I wish that comments where the OP posts sauce could be stickied. More often than not, they get buried under the larger volume of comments when the order is by upvote.
But just to follow up on this, I'm wondering why Hegseth spoke about this in relation to CCP China. All indications are that it's a South Korean consortium who are doing this. (See below). I suppose it's possible that Panama might have been funding this under the CCCP Belt & Road initiative, but so far I can't see evidence for that.
Edit: Digging
https://www.bnamericas.com/en/features/panama-confirms-metro-tunnel-design-contract-for-s-korean-consortium
https://www.autodesk.com/design-make/articles/panama-metro
https://tunnelbuilder.com/Archive/Projects/Panama.aspx
The two articles above have no mention of China, but the third one does:
https://www-elmetrodepanama-com.translate.goog/consorcio-coreano-es-el-responsable-de-la-construccion-del-tramo-soterrado-de-la-linea-3-del-metro/?_x_tr_sl=es&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp
So it looks like the S-Korean consortium chose the China Railway Tunnel Group to dig the tunnel part of the larger project.
Of course, if a CCP company is involved on any level, they are going to be doing dodgy stuff (spying, surveillance, infiltration, etc), so in that sense, Hegseth's comment is relevant, even though the tunnel itself is part of a larger project which appears to have no direct CCP involvement.
We can speculate that possibly behind the scenes, CCP China used leverage to get the S-Korean consortium to subcontract to a Chinese company for the tunnel, but without direct evidence, it's speculation.
Aside: I don't mean it as a slur on your posting, but the fact still remains that the comment section is full of reactions (how many even listened to the Hegseth interview? which, yes, he mentions a tunnel, in one small sentence, but zero details) all of which gets lots of upvotes, why the actual verification, digging and investigation gets almost none.
Personally, this is why I think that copy/paste, shoot-from-the-hip posting has a generally deleterious affect on the board.
No problem Fractal...
PS. How did you catch this, Joy? Were you listening to Fox News on the TV and picked up on this? It's an interesting nugget.
But, for example, the spin that Hegseth "just revealed" this to Will Cain is a big leap of logic, the implication (or assumption) being that somehow its secret or hidden, which the evidence indicates is not the case, but which a whole army of frogs simply accepted and then commented on. Aka knock-on effect.
The information is quite well known, publicly, and even though in the context that Hegseth is discussing, it's relevant, it's not exactly as if the CCP China as a nation state is digging some secretive tunnel under the Panama Canal for nefarious purposes.
Not saying that CCP China isn't nefarious. It is, and everything they control is bad news, including all the companies that ultimately are subordinate to the CCP. But "China is building a tunnel" is kinda different from "A CCP controlled company has been awarded the contract to dig a tunnel under the Panama Canal as part of a larger project". Don't you think?
(See the few links I dug up, thanks primarily to the link from u/Zappo which got me headed in the right direction, because I'm quite familiar with South Korean conglomerates.)