What would Jesus do?
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Let me preface this by saying, You're a good debater. I'm not trying to change your beliefs or trying to get you to think a certain way, Im merely trying to strengthen my arguments and theories, to find the "holes". Much Respect, your knowledge has helped. I'm interested to know your denomination.
Also, my last reply was somewhat incomplete in addressing someof the points you made. It was late and Gutfeld was coming on so I fired off the reply to quickly. I will address those now.
I would consider my views more Gnostic than Marcionism, the differences being Marcionism denies the human nature of Jesus (docetic), and base their theology on The Letters of Paul, where as the Gnostics base their theology on secret knowledge. There is much debate on weather Maricon was a Gnostic or not.
I believe that if you study the Bible it will eventually reveal its secretes to you, "Seek and you shall find." I truly believe it is divinely inspired and will reveal to any individual the answers they need/require. This is why Im opposed to organized religion, I don't feel they encourage individual thought or individual study of the Bible, at least the churches I've known.
If you claim to not trust the Pharisees and the Scribes does this mean you also do not trust Paul's writings, a Pharisee?
Do you lean more towards the Sadducees? If so, I would assume you favor the Septuagint over the Masoretic Texts, the Sadducees being more Hellenistic. I would agree, I use the Septuagint for studying the Bible.
In the Septuagint Micah 6:8 is translated as
Has it [not] been told thee, O man, what [is] good? or what does the Lord require of thee, but to do justice, and love mercy, and be ready to walk with the Lord thy God?
The Greek word ἀνηγγέλη is translated as to mock, or to be laughed at NOT told as the Masoretic states, so I translate it as
You are being Mocked, The beautiful man who says, "The Lord (Yhwh) seeks to disable you" Indeed, Otherwise why bring about judgement, and destroy love and compassion. Be ready to find the Lord God in the midst of yourself.
I can show you my complete translation if interested.
I am fully against the "fire and brimstone" type of rhetoric, I wrestle with God and I think that he approves, I believe we are here to learn good from evil and to question everything not just swallow what we are given mindlessly.
You are correct that I didn't go back to verse 1, I went back to verse 31, the last place it stated to whom Jesus was speaking. The last place he was speaking to the Pharisees was 13. Besides I believe they all claim the same father, they all claim to be Jews as far as I know their conflict was with purity laws, not what God they worshiped.
Q #290 does show a picture of Thor below the Pope and a Bishop, I don't think its that absurd to use the Norse runes, if he's showing a picture of a Norse God.
And the God of the Winged Wheel God coin validates the ancients saw Zeus and Yhwh as the same God.
Q states that the Chair severs the Master, well I can tell you the R.C.C. is not serving the same Loving God as I try to, for sure and I think Q is saying the same thing and is showing us that Thor is who the R.C.C. is serving. Why else show a picture of Thor below the Pope?
I study every religion, nothing is off the table. I think they are all telling the same story from different viewpoints.
You as well fren. This has been pleasantly surprising. I typically encounter the more 'rabid' style of debaters. Kek. I have to remind myself that not everyone is coming with caustics so to see this go into the "See more comments" zone without any mud-slinging refreshes my soul! You also know your stuff and I've learned a lot just by our few interactions here!
I 100% agree with that. The only organized religion I think God established was OT Israel, and that was more than a religion, it was a theocracy. I think God set that up only as a stop-gap emergency measure to ensure that a faith-possessing bloodline was preserved just long enough to send the Messiah through (David's bloodline via Mary). Mankind was so corrupted and devoid of faith that at the flood there was only 1 family---only 8 people worthy of saving, and they too had issues develop later on. God even had to shorten mankind' lifespan because the longer we lived, the more wicked we became. Needless to say every post-Christ religion or theocracy turns into a vile hub of falsehood and wickedness. Whether it be Sharia Law Islamic states or the Roman Catholic empire, the abuses and absurdities abound to laughable levels. I believe Christ completed that arc in our history and that any attempt to revive such systems is doomed.
Paul was a Pharisee who believed, so I believe him. I think the Bible refers to "scribes and Pharisees" so often because it was members of those two groups (ie. the most studied in the Hebrew religion---think "seeing they cannot see", "blinded the eyes of their understanding", etc., the punishment for / consequence of Israel's stubbornness. {Verses 9-10}) who had the hardest time believing in Jesus. Even Paul was on a crusade against Jesus' followers before he was radically born again.
Here is Micah 6:8 from another english LXX. I've run "εἰ ἀνηγγέλη σοι, ἄνθρωπε, τί καλόν; ἢ τί Κύριος ἐκζητεῖ παρὰ σοῦ ἀλλ᾿ ἢ τοῦ ποιεῖν κρίμα καὶ ἀγαπᾶν ἔλεον καὶ ἕτοιμον εἶναι τοῦ πορεύεσθαι μετὰ Κυρίου Θεοῦ σου" through two different translators and both times it comes out basically as it does in the KJV. I'm not sure where you're getting such an inverted translation.
I've also wrestled with eternal torment and have come to conclude that the doctrine was eisegeted by the Catholic church to control people and is not what the Scriptures actually say. If anything I lean toward Anihillationism mixed with a bit of reincarnation / do-over, though I wouldn't dare debate that point since the Scriptures mention nothing of the sort. I'm a silly sorta' sola-scriptura Saint 😂
I agree we're here to learn how to live. I liken life on earth to 'school for eternity'.
Here in John 8 verse 31, (picking up from verse 30), Jesus is speaking to the Jews who believed on him. Then, in verse 33, either:
the subjects of verse 13,
or:
some of their adherents
rudely interject with more debate. It is not logical that Jesus would accuse the Jews who believed on him of seeking to kill him (v37). He is pivoting back to the Pharisees (or to the Jews who side with them) who interjected, and they resume debating Jesus in verse 39, continuing all the way to the end of the chapter, encompassing verse 44. The believing Jews did not speak at all during this. The discourse was between Jesus and the unbelievers. If these debators had been true children of YHWH they would have believed in the One YHWH sent to them. This is mentioned elsewhere in the Gospels iirc.
Indeed, hence verse 41-44. An interesting side-note: it is reported by 1st century Jewish sources (I think, could be wrong on the date) that there was a rumor going around that Mary was a whore, since she had not yet slept with her husband while pregnant with Jesus.
Paul later further exposits the difference between being a physical descendent of Abraham vs. being a spiritual descendent in Rom. 9:6-8 and Gal. 3:26-29.
Jesus refers to YHWH all throughout the Gospels. Let's take one NT example. In Matt. 22:31-32 Jesus Quotes Ex. 3:6.
(I'm not Sadd-u-see :p)
Examining Ex. 3 a bit more closely (I'll be swapping a few 'Christianity buzzwords' with their definitions for this):
This article gets into the nuances of the various words used for God in the OT. Michael Heiser adds interesting clarity to the apparent plurality of God in his 'Divine Council' works. I haven't studied them extensively, but the TLDR is that YHWH has a group of lesser supernatural beings around Him who offer inputs, do His bidding and keep Him company! Pretty cool stuff.
The OT is a journey of man learning who God actually is, amidst a slew of false gods and superstitions. It is a story of God systematically, and many times harshly, re-revealing Himself to man after the fall in Eden, the flood, and the tower of Babel (where confusion and myths of those false gods originated from). Man is wired to know God; however God had to distance Himself from sinful man because we would immediately die if approached by God while in sin, for sin cannot exist in God's presence. We were thoroughly infected with a cancer; God's presence is like the ultimate chemo radiation all at once. Thus, we had the complex temple worship and ritual, etc. But our Perfect Messiah fulfilled all that, so now we can reunite with Almighty God through faith in Him. Jesus literally shields us from destruction from the presence of God. See Ex. 20:19
and 33:20
On to Thor!
I think they serve a myraid of false gods. Saturn, Jupiter, Isis Horus Set, et cet. Kek. Rome was known for that, like their predecessor Greece. Mystery Babylon the Great is always consuming her predecessors though we're at the Final Boss.
Here is the bread that Q post was made in https://archive.ph/Zou4w
Anons pointed out that the painting of Thor had a Swastika in it and that the painting had become an icon for Nazis (post No. 50843 in above archive). In the very next post (291) Q highlighted anon's post about Chelsea Clinton. I am reminded of her upside-down cross necklace. Back to 290, the pope is seen in a chair featuring an upside-down cross. Furthermore in drop 936 (and others though I forget their number), Q appears to align the Catholic church with Hitler's Nazi Germany. To me it seems Q is linking the Clintons, the Vatican, and the Nazis together. To what end I haven't delved much into.
We're also told 'double-meanings exist' so I take that Thor drop to signify 'bringing down the hammer on cabal giants', as Thor was known to slay giants. The Catholic church is the oldest, biggest 'giant' on planet earth today!
I still think the runes angle is a stretch. BUT I will not wholly disregard it. Can you give me a short summary of what you take those posts to be saying? Surely it's more than "the RCC worships Thor and Zeus, YHWH is Zeus". What are the practical ramifications of that train of thought? Where would I go from there? I've never heard that interpretation of those drops so I'm interested where they lead.
I don't think it exists 😬
Oh I'm certainly not above mud-slinging or rabid rhetoric. I try to keep it comical, you know, practice my insult comedy when it does happen, weather it comes off like that or not is a different story. Its all in fun, no hate, at least from my POV. We are all just trying to figure it out.
I do find the ones who are not in an organized religion to be more open to different interpretations and not as offended by them. Less brainwashed I guess. (we're all brainwashed to a certain level)
Interesting point. I believe we are all prisoner, blind, and oppressed, by an evil God.
My major point on this was the second word ἀνηγγέλη means To Mock and they translate it as Told, a clear mistranslation. Im not a classical philologist so Im not going to argue the rest of my translation, but I think my translation is close.
Eisegete. Great Word!, i'm stealing this. Totally agree the RCC does this, along with several people on this board and possibly me sometimes, inadvertently.
I do believe we reincarnate, I'm not sola-scriptura saint (another great word). I incorporate all myths and religions in my beliefs. I think they are all telling the same story. As far as Anihillationism, I think the world will seperate into three, the Good, the Bad and the Ugly. The Bad and Ugly will battle it out Ragnarok style and the Good will continue on in harmony without the Bad and Ugly fuck'n shit up. We will attain a higher state of being through our "junk" DNA being turned on [Q Post #4966] Ascension.
Good argument, I'll concede this point. It was the Pharisees who wanted to kill him. But I assert that Yhwh is the Pharisee's father.
John 8:19 - Then they asked him, “Where is your father?” “You do not know me or my Father, ...
If Yhwh was Jesus' Father, then the Pharisees would know Jesus' Father, yet Jesus clearly states that they do not know his Father.
The translators have replaced the actual names with variations of Lord and God. This is why I rely on the Septuagint, I feel the names they use are a little more accurate. If you use strong's it seem to always use Yahweh. I definitely feel your on the right path with the council of gods, there is more than one god in the Bible, a hard realization for some.
I would go one step further and say there are a myriad of Good Gods and Evil Gods. Where are the Female Gods in the Bible? Plenty of male archangels, plenty of evil males where are the evil females? I subscribe to the idea of the gods reincarnating on Earth and walking among us, Good and Evil. When you stated Paul later further exposits the difference between being a physical descendent of Abraham vs. being a spiritual descendent in Rom. 9:6-8 and Gal. 3:26-29. I think this maybe a clue to gods reincarnating, the spiritual ancestor of Abraham is Abraham reincarnating back on Earth.
I think thats what I am getting at, they all worship Thor. When the politicians and Hollywood sell their souls they are selling their souls to Thor. The one eye club is their symbol, they are no longer "blind" they have one eye and can see beyond the veil, I haven't got this all figured out yet but I believe it has to do with a ritual of placing a "worm" in their eye and drinking something. After that it allows demons to possess them and heighten their abilities, singing, acting, speaking, ect. They will have to fight to get their souls back during "Ragnarok" or just become Evil for eternity.
A year or so ago I started digging on Q Post 290 and 998 and realized that Q might be saying the R.C.C. was worshiping an evil God. So I tied that to what the Gnostics were saying. It made sense to me why the R.C.C. was eradicating Gnosticism, If the Kid Diddlers didn't want us to study the Gnostics, I was going to study the Gnostics. The R.C.C. was the original Christianity and had full control over the texts and their interpretations / translations via the monasteries and scribes. They were hiding the Truth and we know they hide the truth in plain site so I started looking for proof of Gnostic beliefs in the Bible and in what Jesus actually said.
I subscribe to the thought that we are in a simulation, Elon has stated this also. I believe when Eve "ate the apple" from the Tree of God and Evil we were forced to learn about evil. In my opinion, your are exactly correct when you stated: Man is wired to know God; however God had to distance Himself from sinful man because we would immediately die if approached by God while in sin, for sin cannot exist in God's presence. We were thoroughly infected with a cancer; God's presence is like the ultimate chemo radiation all at once. This is why we were placed in the simulation, to remove us from God to learn about evil. This is very similar to the Hindu's belief that it is impossible to know Brahman, the highest god, because we are too far removed from him and are unable to worship him properly because of our ignorance (blindness). It also aligns with the Hindu concept of Maya. Indra who is equated with Thor, Zeus and Yhwh, all being rain and storm gods, uses Maya to help him conquer Virtra an Asura demon. Indra being part of what I called the Ugly and Virtra being the Bad. So basically its a school of hard knocks, once we graduate we will eat of the Tree of Life and have everlasting life on our way to become Gods. [Genesis 3:22]. There are several metaphors in the bible that refer to the simulation, The Veil, Tent, Blindness, Drunkenness [2 Corinthians 4:18]
Right on, You have my respect.
Have a Good Easter.