What would Jesus do?
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False. Jesus was drawing a distinction between the adherents of God and the adherents of the devil, according to their willingness to hear (or not hear) His Word. He did not call God the devil. Reading passages 31-47 makes that clear.
I never said he was speaking to the Jews at large. I quoted verse 31: To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples".
This is not what I read at all, verse 32-33: Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. 33 ”They answered him, “We are Abraham’s descendants and have never been slaves of anyone. How can you say that we shall be set free?”
The Jews thought that Jesus was speaking of "physical" slavery, but he was speaking of "spiritual" slavery, the slavery of sin. Jesus clarifies this in the next verse, Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin.
The following verses is where it gets confusing because they are speaking about three different fathers; Abraham, Yhwh, and Jesus' Father/God.
Im using the NIV version of the Bible for this argument.
Jesus says in verse 37 I know you are Abraham descendants yet you are looking for a way to kill me.
That is a very important YET, Jesus knows Abraham is a good guy and would trust in what Jesus was teaching Yet, the Jews want to kill him for his teachings. Jesus goes against their father's laws given to Moses
Verse 38 clarifies this; I am telling you what I have seen in the Father’s presence, and you are doing what you have heard from your father.
Jesus is distinguishing The Father from your father. This also confused the Jews because the next verse the Jews say, "Abraham is our father". In the next verse Jesus clarifies again that Abraham is righteous.
“If you were Abraham’s children,” said Jesus, “then you would do what Abraham did. 40 As it is, you are looking for a way to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. 41 You are doing the works of your own father.”
Its clear that Jesus is talking about Three Different Fathers.
Jesus never says the name of his father.
Yhwh is never mentioned by name in the New Testament.
In the first part of John 8, Jesus goes against Yhwh's laws given to Moses, this is why the Jews want to kill him. This is how we know Jesus is against Yhwh because He said not to stone the woman.
John 8:19 - They said to him therefore, “Where is your Father?” Jesus answered, “You know neither me nor my Father". If Yhwh was Jesus' father they would know who he is.
Yhwh is mention 50 times in the Old Testament and is stated in
Isaiah 63:16
אַתָּ֤ה - ’at-tāh - You [are]
יְהוָה֙ - Yah-weh - Yahweh
אָבִ֔ינוּ - ’ā-ḇî-nū, - Our Father
Jesus is calling the father of the Jews, Yahweh the Devil.
No, Jesus was saying the Jews wanted to kill him because of his words, and were following their fathers desires by trying to kill him.
verse 44 ...and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer...
Yhwh is a known murder in the Old Testament, He commanded his people to commit genocide, killed little children, wiped out the entire world population in one fell swoop, sent plagues and devastation, and created a world full of people but decided to only reveal Himself and his rules to one group of people.
This Is Not Jesus' Father.
You are telling me nothing new, except to involve the name Yahweh, which I never found in my Bible (Geneva). The point is, he was speaking to those Jews who were speaking TO HIM. Not about all Jews
What the hell are you talking about? I never said he was speaking to all Jews and I addressed this in my last reply to you. It was the first sentence, You might want to take a reading comprehension class.
Winn and my discussion was on if he was speaking to the Pharisees or the Jews that believed in him or both. Which wasn't even the main argument, the main argument was is Yhwh an Evil God or a Benevolent God.
Your previous remark was only a recap of what I had said, so I don't understand where we have arrived. Except that you think Yahweh is the name of Satan, when it was clearly the name imparted by God for himself.