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The Great Osteoporosis Scam (nitter.poast.org)
posted 1 year ago by brain_dead 1 year ago by brain_dead +79 / -0
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– SurelyShirley 12 points 1 year ago +12 / -0

An absolute scam. I was diagnosed with osteopenia and they immediately wanted me on their "bisphosphonate" drugs. But I read the literature. Then, I switched dentists and had to fill out paperwork asking if I had ever taken that type of drug. I asked the dentist and she said that they cause way longer healing times in the jaw if a tooth has to be pulled. You couldn't pay me to take them now.

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– Bully_Solution 8 points 1 year ago +8 / -0

Even a small amount of resistance training is way better than those drugs. Works faster and no negative side effects.

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– SurelyShirley 4 points 1 year ago +4 / -0

Yep. I’m anti-big-pharma anymore for pretty much anything.

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– 2224522 4 points 1 year ago +4 / -0

Agreed but you can not build without building blocks - meat bone broth eggs milk etc.

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– Standingoak 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

Along with some Vit D &/ or sunshine and milk

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– swimkin 5 points 1 year ago +5 / -0

There is a catch 22 with osteoporosis/osteopenia. Some people are so fragile they will fracture a verterbrae from just bending over. So there is a need to do something for many. Unfortunately these drugs can have significant side effects for some.

Was diagnosed with Osteoporosis about 20 years ago. Little did I know back then that these drugs were a problem. I believed my doctors back then and was taking whatever meds they suggested. The only problem I noticed with the drug was some reflux a couple days after taking it.

I was placed on them and took them on/off for almost 20 years with a break every five years. In 2011 they came out that you should only take them for 5 years max. I didn't know this until recently and when I moved here I was still working and didn't remember to send any of my medical records from where I moved from so according to my Dr. when she put me back on them she didn't know I was on them that long.

I was on a hiatus from the drugs for over a year and was being monitored with annual Dexa scans. In April 2021 I was told I was in osteopenia and bc I had never broken a bone in my life I was at low risk for fracture. One month later I fell on my back and fractured my L4 verterbrae. It never healed and collapsed inside of me requiring a two day surgery 5 months later to remove the verterbrae that collapsed and install a cage lined with protein on mesh with a cadaver bone inside. Then I had rods and long cemented in screws placed from L2 to S2.

I am now considered at high risk for fracturing. I found out from my Endo the Bisophosophonate drugs never leave your system and can cause your bones to become more brittle. Thus why I fractured. They make your Dexa scan look great, however.

I am currently on Evenity injections which are bone protein. You can only take them for a year. I will go on respite from meds if my dexa is still in osteopenia or better.

FWIW If I knew what I know now I would use diet and exercise to forestall bone loss. My PT told me after I fell that jumping jacks are one of the best exercises for you to do with weight and resistance training.

There are multiple programs to check out on your own that use natural means to help keep your bones strong. In spite of this, your bones may continue to lose density. The other thing to try instead of getting a Dexa scan is to locate a place that offers REM scan instead. REMS is a bone scan that gives an estimate of bone mineral density, t-scores and z-scores, the same as DEXA, but the scan uses ultrasound instead of x-rays and, so long as the operator is fully trained, is more reliable because it's more fully automated than DEXA. REMS also gives a measure of bone strength, something that DEXA can't do.

I suspect many of us are seeing this disease due our diets and for some of us (myself included it is hereditary. I had a great aunt who was a hunchback due to fractures of her spine and my dad ended up that way in his late seventies.

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– mac1221 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

The reason the bone is more brittle is because it is not normal bone. The bisphosphonates cut off half of the pathway for normal bone remodeling. The osteoclasts that are inhibited with those drugs are responsible for removing diseased bone leaving just the osteoblasts that build new bone. Therefore, the bone that is built is not normal and brittle. The very thing they claim to be protecting you from, fractures, is the very thing the drug causes.

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– swimkin 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

Yes. I know this now. Too little, too late

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– mac1221 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

So sorry to hear you were caught up in that scam. You are not alone. Far too many have been harmed by drugs rushed to market without adequate testing. In fact, the public actually is the FDA phase 4 testing cohort. That means, get the drug out there and collect the data on side effects and how the drug works without informed consent. The assumption is always, safe and effective. A patient that takes the drug is considered to have given implied consent just by taking the drug. That is not informed consent. The providers frankly should carry more responsibility for their patients in regards to informed consent.

I remember a similar situation with the cox-2 inhibitors taken for arthritic types of pain. Several of them were given a black box warning and had to be taken off the market. Celebrex however, is still being marketed. It too should have been removed. When I started to notice an increase in cardiac issues with this drug class my radar went off. Even just a cursory understanding of this drug class' pharmacology should have been enough to give pause - something a first year medical student should have been able to figure out.

Simply put, inflammation is the enemy. With the increases in bad seed oils in American diets, inflammatory based chronic disease is rampant. There is a physiological pathway of inflammation in the body that is driven by the increase in omega-6 fatty acids from those seed oils. Think of it like water in a funnel where all the inflammation flows down into the system. Cox-2 inhibitors, like the osteoporosis drugs, reduces part of the inflammation flow that comes out of that funnel - the cox-2 pathway. Sounds good right, eliminate that pathway and reduce inflammation. But, without restricting the inflammation, the water coming into that pipeline, all that inflammation that flowed into cox-2 just ends up being redirected into another pathway called LOX. That pathway has its effects in the heart. Therefore, people taking cox-2 inhibitors have increased risk for very damaging heart attacks - and that is exactly what happened. I was sounding the alarm on cox-2 inhibitors years before they were taken off the market and was unwilling to endorse their use. I personally know people that were taking those drugs for fibromyalgia and ended up having massive heart attacks - some so massive it lead to disability.

I used to tell my patients that my personal rule is, if a drug or surgical procedure does not have at least a ten year track record of data to look at, don't touch it. That is of course, if you do mind being made into a Guinea pig. The clot shots are just another example of not ready for prime time, and yet people still lined up to be test subjects. Without knowing all the science, the fact that this was new technology without a history should have been reason enough to put the brakes on. Hopefully with a new change of the guard things can start to change at the FDA and prevent some of this from happening. Only time will tell.

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– SurelyShirley 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Exactly. And yet, they push it and push it. And talk gobble-de-gook when you ask too many question.

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– mac1221 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Money talks. The system has been broken for a long time.

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– SurelyShirley 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

What a lot to go through. I believe you're correct about diet. But some of that is the modern cooking methods. Years and years ago, bone broth or stock was the basis of many dishes: soups, stews, etc. Full of minerals from bone and other good stuff. Today that's virtually unheard of. Too often they're using MSG for the flavor that bone broth used to add.

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– Pbman2 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

They wanted to put my mother on that,so she doesn't break any bones. She told the doctor that she recently fell backwards off of 3 concrete steps and didn't break anything. She fuigured she didn't need it.

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– brain_dead [S] 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Any time someone said, "Take this drug." I immediately go look it up and see the long list of problems and said no. I will take my chance. Howls.

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– SurelyShirley 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

I'm very much that way about drugs. I also have reactions to most all drugs. And they don't seem to help me, either. I'm convinced most of them 'work' based solely on the placebo effect.

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– mac1221 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

And they can have a half-life of around 10 years and can stay active in the bone for up to 30 years. Frankly, if one really understands biochemistry and physiology how could they think that interrupting the normal process of bone remodeling and healing is a smart thing to do.

Dentistry is where the alarm bells first started going off. Patients with jaw necrosis is devastating and there is not much that can be done because the bone's healing processes have been jacked. Those cases are not pretty. I have seen more than I care to remember.

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– SurelyShirley 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Yikes! Ten years? Crazy. The other scary thing for me is that today they do them via infusion. So what happens if you have a reaction?

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– mac1221 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Any drug can have side effects - especially when they are pushed (IV). At least in an infusion clinic there are protocols in place for emergencies. Not the case when taking meds at home and a person has a reaction.

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– Joys1Daughter 8 points 1 year ago +8 / -0

SO MANY need to be imprisoned! šŸ’”šŸ¤¬

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– brain_dead [S] 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

'course. Now the exposures are coming out.

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– SurelyShirley 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Agreed.

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– 2224522 5 points 1 year ago +5 / -0

Eat meat especially bone broth and Bone marrow. So good and looks remarkably like human bone.

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– brain_dead [S] 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

What about bunny type? I am sorry.

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– Jtkirk5598 4 points 1 year ago +4 / -0

Vitamin D3 /K2 will also enhance the uptake of calcium to the bones. My mother had osteoporosis, and her recent bone scans are normal.

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– brain_dead [S] 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Thank you. I appreciate your info.

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– Jtkirk5598 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Don't forget to eat your meats / bone broth. Between that and the D3 /K2, you and your loved ones will be as good as new.

Here is a link to Dr. Berg discussing it. https://youtu.be/uBqNYt6oGCc?si=xCEu9gXk_JIhzwcf

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– Farmerberry 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

Remodelling of bone needs high impact sports such as running. This is partly a hormonal effect so it will help with all bones, but mainly lower limb and pelvis. Resistance training, cycling, swimming and such like will do very little. Start slowly and short distance and then gradually increase as you get stronger. If you are older than 40 years old and have never run hard be extra careful.

BEWARE OF 6 WEEKS! This when you feel great and want to push harder but ligaments and tendons are not yet strong, so hang back for another 6 weeks. Be extra careful if you have any health problems.

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– swimkin 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Actually I am aware of many runners who have osteoporosis. Jumping is better than running. But no exercise at all is a bad.

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– brain_dead [S] 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Oh. That's going to be hard.

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– Farmerberry 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Life is hard so enjoy it whilst you can.

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– Bowster 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/what-we-arent-told-about-osteoporosis

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