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Yes. He really said this: https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Jefferson/03-06-02-0230 (media.scored.co)
posted 1 year ago by ContendersEdge 1 year ago by ContendersEdge +115 / -0
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– Dogsoldier2 4 points 1 year ago +4 / -0

I agree it describes the modern day democrat party. But you took a quote totally out of context which isn't relative. It makes the meme disingenuous. Adams, and Jefferson to whom he was corresponding, were both in the Democrat-Republican Party. Adams was referring to any party, religious organization, rulers or philosophers such as the Christian Church, Jewish rabbis and Greek sages. Along with Emperors who held sway at the time. Not modern democrats.

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– ContendersEdge [S] 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

It was Jefferson who was a part of the Democrat-Republican party. Adams was a federalist and his letter to Jefferson reveals an animosity that he held, not against Jefferson himself, but in a general sense, against the Democrats of his day. If it were not so, he would have made no mention of them and therefore must have had reason to list them amongst the parties he hated. If any of his reasons for his hatred of Democrat-Republicans of his day were justified, it would only go to show that the seeds of evil and corruption were already being sown within the party from its very beginning regardless of Jefferson's intentions and purpose for the party might have been and thus a careful study of its history from its beginning until today would give us insight as to how it became what it is today. For the time being, I am going to give Adams the benefit of the doubt in that he knew more about what was going on within the Democrat-Republican party than either one of us and if the seeds of corruption and wickedness were present within the party during the days of Adams, how much more so today and how much more relevant applicable is his statement in which the Democrats of his day are included.

But since you wish to discuss perceived inaccuracies of the meme, I must then point out an inaccuracy on your part in that Adams held no hostility to the Christian faith or even the Church itself as he often spoke favorably of the faith and even came to its defense after the publishing of Thomas Paine's infamous "Age Of Reason,

For in his defense of the Christian faith, Adams stated:

"The Christian religion is, above all the religions that ever prevailed or existed in ancient or modern times, the religion of wisdom, virtue, equity, and humanity, let the blackguard [rogue, scoundrel] Paine say what he will; it is resignation to God, it is goodness itself to man."

(Definition of blackguard added)

https://oll-resources.s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/oll3/store/titles/2101/Adams_1431-03_EBk_v6.0.pdf

Adams was only opposed to the corruptions or what he at least perceived to be corruptions within the Church of which he often speaks as well, but not the Christian faith in and of itself.

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– Dogsoldier2 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

It was Jefferson who was a part of the Democrat-Republican party. Adams was a federalist and his letter to Jefferson reveals an animosity that he held, not against Jefferson himself, but in a general sense, against the Democrats of his day. If it were not so, he would have made no mention of them and therefore must have had reason to list them amongst the parties he hated.

Do your homework in depth.

John Adams was Pro-Administration (before 1795), Federalist (1795 – 1808) and a Democratic-Republican (from 1808) until his death. The correspondence between him and Jefferson (of which the linked letter is one) was after they had both left government. The letters were to settle the feud between them.

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– ContendersEdge [S] 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

The reason why John Adams had become a Democratic Republican is because the federalist party no longer existed after the defeat of John Adams' bid for a second Presidential term. The defeat that the federalists had suffered was so devastating that they ceased to exist as a viable political party and as a consequence, the country was essentially either under one-party rule or at least dominated by one party for several decades until the formation of the Republican Party shortly before the Civil War. After the dissolution of the federalist party, John Adams simple had no choice but to become a Democratic-Republican, but then again, whether they liked it or not, neither did anyone else. Until the rise of the Whigs and free-soiler parties---the free-soilers being an abolitionist party---no one had a choice as to what political party to align themselves with.

As for the final letters between Jefferson and Adams, there is a very interesting story behind what began the resumption of their friendship as the reconciliation between Adams and Jefferson had been inspired by a dream or vision given to their mutual friend, Benjamin Rush:

To John Adams From Benjamin Rush October 17, 1809

https://founders.archives.gov/?q=Correspondent%3A%22Adams%2C%20John%22%20Correspondent%3A%22Rush%2C%20Benjamin%22&s=1111311111&r=147

From John Adams To Benjamin Rush October 25, 1809

https://founders.archives.gov/?q=Correspondent%3A%22Adams%2C%20John%22%20Correspondent%3A%22Rush%2C%20Benjamin%22&s=1111311111&r=148

To John Adams From Benjamin Rush December 5, 1809

https://founders.archives.gov/?q=Correspondent%3A%22Adams%2C%20John%22%20Correspondent%3A%22Rush%2C%20Benjamin%22&s=1111311111&r=149

From John Adams To Benjamin Rush December 21, 1809

https://founders.archives.gov/?q=Correspondent%3A%22Adams%2C%20John%22%20Correspondent%3A%22Rush%2C%20Benjamin%22&s=1111311111&r=150

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