Yeah I'm sorry but now you're just resorting to platitudes. I get it. You think the Bible is super duper clear. I just don't. And ultimately any attempt to use it as a so-called objective standard is really just a test of wills between who thinks it means this and who thinks it means that. Hell, I think Neville Goddard makes an extremely compelling claim that we're not looking at a book of rules and literal history at all, but a psychological drama meant to teach us about the metaphysical reality of ourselves as children of God, "For is it not written in your own law, I have said ye are gods, children of the most high?"
There's simply no way around this. Perhaps those with the loudest voices and strongest wills can convince others that their interpretation of the book is in fact authoritative, but there will always be those of us who sit here and think "Yeah, you're just louder and care more, but your argument isn't flying with me."
Anyway, I also didn't say I was a Christian. You assumed that when I said I wasn't an atheist and I apparently know my way around a Bible. I consider myself a Christian, but I guarantee if I explained how you would defy that with everything in your being.
Anyway, it was a nice chat regardless. I thought you defended your position really well. I wasn't convinced, but I enjoyed every word your wrote. You're an excellent communicator.
I asked you plainly if you were a Christian. You could have answered clearly but you decided to be vague and deceptive to continue the conversation.
Of course you're not convinced.... YOU'RE NOT A CHRISTIAN! You don't see the Bible with the same eyes as someone with the holy spirit and you can't even wrap your head around that concept.... Just like I couldn't before I came to Christ. This is why I don't have Bible studies with non-christians.
Lots of people that are not in Christ call themselves Christians. The Bible defines it however. The same standard you reject.
Have a good day fren. Repent and believe the gospel which is God breathed, not a drama script.
I'm sorry you see it that way. I do see myself as a Christian. But I knew you would not see me as a Christian. But if you'd like to show me the definition of a Christian in the Bible I would be happy to consider the possibility that I do not qualify.
Regardless, your need to resort to ad hominems, your frustration under the weight of not being able to convince someone and needing them to be the reason and absolve yourself, is not an attractive quality. I've been very polite with you. And my questions have been sincere. You're not going to be able to convince everyone and if you need to tell yourself that's because you're so full of the holy spirit and they are not, well...that's up to you.
No, I addressed your behavior while dancing around a clear question. You know you avoided that question instead of either confirming or denying a simple yes or no query.
An ad-hominem attack would have been me calling you a poo-poo doo-doo face or saying something about your family tree.
Yeah I'm sorry but now you're just resorting to platitudes. I get it. You think the Bible is super duper clear. I just don't. And ultimately any attempt to use it as a so-called objective standard is really just a test of wills between who thinks it means this and who thinks it means that. Hell, I think Neville Goddard makes an extremely compelling claim that we're not looking at a book of rules and literal history at all, but a psychological drama meant to teach us about the metaphysical reality of ourselves as children of God, "For is it not written in your own law, I have said ye are gods, children of the most high?"
There's simply no way around this. Perhaps those with the loudest voices and strongest wills can convince others that their interpretation of the book is in fact authoritative, but there will always be those of us who sit here and think "Yeah, you're just louder and care more, but your argument isn't flying with me."
Anyway, I also didn't say I was a Christian. You assumed that when I said I wasn't an atheist and I apparently know my way around a Bible. I consider myself a Christian, but I guarantee if I explained how you would defy that with everything in your being.
Anyway, it was a nice chat regardless. I thought you defended your position really well. I wasn't convinced, but I enjoyed every word your wrote. You're an excellent communicator.
I asked you plainly if you were a Christian. You could have answered clearly but you decided to be vague and deceptive to continue the conversation.
Of course you're not convinced.... YOU'RE NOT A CHRISTIAN! You don't see the Bible with the same eyes as someone with the holy spirit and you can't even wrap your head around that concept.... Just like I couldn't before I came to Christ. This is why I don't have Bible studies with non-christians.
Lots of people that are not in Christ call themselves Christians. The Bible defines it however. The same standard you reject.
Have a good day fren. Repent and believe the gospel which is God breathed, not a drama script.
"Lots of people that are not in Christ call themselves Christians."
I have to say, I really couldn't agree with you more.
Have a good night.
I'm sorry you see it that way. I do see myself as a Christian. But I knew you would not see me as a Christian. But if you'd like to show me the definition of a Christian in the Bible I would be happy to consider the possibility that I do not qualify.
Regardless, your need to resort to ad hominems, your frustration under the weight of not being able to convince someone and needing them to be the reason and absolve yourself, is not an attractive quality. I've been very polite with you. And my questions have been sincere. You're not going to be able to convince everyone and if you need to tell yourself that's because you're so full of the holy spirit and they are not, well...that's up to you.
Actually I'm not able to convince ANYONE. God is sovereign over salvation.
The Bible defines what a Christian is through scripture including the requirements:
What is a Christian? | carm.org https://share.google/ZKEWqEB037pAWZxHc
No, I addressed your behavior while dancing around a clear question. You know you avoided that question instead of either confirming or denying a simple yes or no query. An ad-hominem attack would have been me calling you a poo-poo doo-doo face or saying something about your family tree.
Strangeβ¦why did you send me to an apologetics site instead of the Bible? Why engage with the commentary if itβs so clearly laid out already?