“Proposed” rule? Does he not have unilateral authority to require this then?

Sorry where did this come from? It’s a funny joke but why is it tied in the title to “our president”? Did he post this on Truth Social or something?

Liberal.

That’s dumb. Just deport all illegals, fraud or not. Deport LEGAL immigrants that do it.

What does “President” there even mean? We’ve taken out the so-called “top guy” so many times already—how do they decide who their president even is?

All human beings are God’s children. Those he favors are not from a specific bloodline, but those who care enough to keep His commandments/words of wisdom. And even then it’s not God himself favoring them, anymore than God “favors” those who choose not to walk off of cliffs over those who do. They simply benefit from abiding by the laws He has revealed to humanity. God is no respecter of persons. Bloodlines or choosing to name your country “Israel” doesn’t give you any special advantage with Him.

Ok?

Yawn. Just more London divide and distract tactics.

We need to burn that fucking commie prison to the ground.

So they found the private keys?

Pretty sure he literally said they seized their wallets, not their exchange accounts.

First of all, thanks for the honest attempt to answer. Second of all, here’s my position, since you haven’t asked, and merely have taken my questions as an argument in and of itself:

I don’t know what I think yet.

I genuinely don’t.

That’s literally why I’m asking follow up questions to the claims people are making about this topic. That’s how I use this place. I crowdsource opinions, claims, and explanations to help me decide how I feel about them. The fact that you haven’t sold me on your view yet is not itself an argument, and your defensiveness isn’t warranted, unless you’re unsure that you thought this through enough before committing so zealously to your position.

I can sympathize with the pollution concerns (including those of light and sound). I can sympathize with the cost concerns. That’s why I asked follow up questions related to them. How much will they realistically impact our energy prices? How much will they realistically impact our air quality? How much will they realistically impact the availability of our water? How loud will they actually be? How much light will they actually put out? How much will that truly impact the area where it’s placed compared to what’s already there? How much will the water that passes through it actually be warned? How impactful will that actually be based on the location? How does that compare with regular building or other buildings of similar size in other industries that serve other purposes so I have some context with which to judge it?

You don’t seem to have any specific answers to any of these questions. And that’s fine, but I live in Utah too, and other Utahns being pissed about it isn’t enough on its own for me to be pissed about it too. I’m open to being pissed about it, should my questions yield truly troublesome data-backed answers, but so far all I’ve gotten is generalized fearmongering based on, by your own admission…feelings. You claim the spiritual gift of discernment, but you haven’t shown me that here in how you’ve responded to me. You sure haven’t proven to me possess any such gift, despite your insistence.

How different do data centers of their size impact the environment compared to other factories of similar size, for example? There are some pretty large factory buildings in Utah. I remember when the city of Vineyard was still just Geneva Steel. Are you as against steel mills as you are data centers? What kinds of industries and buildings would you NOT oppose coming to Utah based on the standards you’ve set forth here? Are you just a tree hugging anti-capitalist who hates any business he doesn’t own or invest in himself? Or is there something TRULY uniquely sinister about these buildings other than the fact they might hurt your favorite view or make a couple stars harder for you or your loved ones in Box Elder to see? Cause I can see why that would bother YOU, but I can’t see why I should personally care down in Utah County.

If you really can’t see how other people wouldn’t just want to jump on this bandwagon with you when you’re not able to answer these questions, I don’t know what to tell you. But I’m not arguing against you. I’m simply giving you an opportunity to help me and others like me care. Maybe if you were able to do so you would have gotten the public support you needed to shut down the project, rather than a few locals accompanied by blue haired liberals who were easy for the state to ignore.

I tell you what though, as a conservative, I’m not very fond of your rhetoric when it comes to the business side/economic potential these centers could have. The whole “only rich people would benefit” schtick? Yeah that’s not my schtick. I have problems with giant corporations too but clearly there’s huge demand for data centers and it’s not because nobody benefits from it. That’s almost childishly ignorant. Maybe if you could sound less like a Democrat right now it might help too, I don’t know. But nothing so far about your side of this argument has appealed to me yet and that’s just me being honest.

Weird clip. Says nothing about that.

1. Utility bills rising steeper than they already are

So you don’t think Trump’s EO requiring data centers to generate their own power or pay through the nose to keep it from raising everyone else’s power will be honored/will work/he’s not serious about it? What?

2. Polluting my children’s lungs further than they already are

Is this expected to release a significant amount of air pollution? If so, how much and what can I compare that to for context?

3. Noise and light pollution beyond my comfort

I take it you live in Box Elder county? Is your home currently close enough to be impacted by the sound? Is the area you live in currently dark enough to see all the stars currently then?

4. A deep permeating sense of negativity when it comes to data centers

Is that just cause of the things you just mentioned or something else/more?

If you don’t have answers to these basic questions what does that say about your position? You feel like people asking questions is designed to tire you out? With…thinking?

So it’s really lost on you why I asked you that?

I mean Trump himself said we needed to stay ahead on AI and brought in several trillion for investments in that area, including for data centers. So if those of us who aren’t sold on your line of thinking are grifters, is he as well?

Is “teen” the new “jogger”?

So Trump is grifting on this topic? And AI’s are only LLMs?

Yeah I’m afraid I’m with you in this. There’s something very Democrat about the hate these things are receiving.

And where is this happening currently. Have many data centers picked their locations so poorly that the neighboring communities, as well as themselves, have been unable to access any water anymore as a result? Or is the fact that such a thing is POSSIBLE more important than whether or not it’s likely?

You seem to be the kind of person who looks at questions as attacks. You should work on that. People have real questions on this issue. If you think you have real answers try being content providing them and maybe forgo the insults toward the end. Maybe you’re right, maybe not, but questioning the motives of everyone who asks honest questions is…bad form.

Thank you. It’s nice to see at least one other person questioning this strangely anti-business narrative. I’m starting to wonder if I’m in the wrong place.

Where did I say I didn’t know about electronics or thermal radiation? I’m asking what people think the real-world impact of more of it will be. I live in Utah. We have like a fraction of the population of some other states. Those other states have way more buildings and cars and data centers, etc. and what has it done that’s so bad in those places that people in Utah are so up in arms about it happening here? What impact does this extra heat have on every day life that you’re so worried about?

I don’t know honestly. That’s why I’m asking. What do you have against them? You just dont like big buildings in remote areas? What is it? What preferences are YOU defending specifically?