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– MAG768720 1 point 290 days ago +1 / -0

God redeeming all nations ...

"Nation" means a people related by BLOOD.

It does NOT mean the modern concept of a geographical territory inhabited by ANYONE who might wander in.

That would be ridiculous.

Why does the OT have all the "this man BEGAT that son, who BEGAT these sons, one of whom BEGAT that son?"

It is a BLOOD LINE story.

Why ELSE would that be in there at all?

It is there for a REASON, but you can't explain it.

Your understanding is the modern Disney version of the Bible, not what was originally written.

All peoples on earth will be blessed through you.

Yes, the Israelites (the White race) HAS blessed everyone on Earth, having created most of the inventions that made the world a better place to live.

• John 3:16 — “God so loved the world…

I already addressed that.

• Matthew 28:19 — “Go and make disciples of all nations.”

Again ... "nation" is a PEOPLE that are related by BLOOD.

• John 1:29 — “The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.”

I already addressed that, as well.

You don't seem willing or able to reply to the points I make. You just regurgitate the same thing over and over, pretending like I didn't address those points.

The Spirit poured out on “every nation ... accepts from every nation.”

Like I said before, you are misunderstanding certain words, including "nation."

• Galatians 3:28 — Paul: “There is neither Jew nor Gentile… you are all one in Christ.”

First of all, he says YOU are all one in Christ -- meaning the people he was writing to, the Galatians (Galatae). He was talking about THEM ... NOT YOU.

Second, it does not say "Jew or Gentile" in my various translations. It says "Jew or Greek."

But again, the words must be explained because of the false translations.

"Jew" was not in the Bible originally. In the OT, it was Judahite and in the NT it was Judean. Jesus was accused of being "king of the Judeans," which was a mockery, since Judea was a province of Rome, and nobody could be a "king" there.

Anyway ...

Paul of Tarsus was a Roman citizen. His family was wealthy, so they were allowed to be Roman citizens, but not everyone on Anatolia (modern day Turkey) were allowed to be Roman citizens.

The word "gentile" comes from the Latin word "gentilus" which meant someone who was NOT a Roman citizen. It has NOTHING TO DO with non-Jew.

Most people in Europe/Western Asia spoke Greek at that time.

Diodorus Siculus was an historian who lived about 50-100 years before Christ. He documented that the Galatians (Galatae) were Germanic people with "yellow" hair. Some of them mixed with Greeks, and it is these Galatae to whom Paul of Tarsus wrote his epistle.

He was telling them that it doesn't matter if you are a Roman citizen or not, and goes on to also say in 3:28 that it doesn't matter if you are free or a slave, or male or female.

There is neither Jew (sic) nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

He was talking to THEM, and ONLY them.

He was NOT talking to ... YOU ... or me, or anyone else but THEM.

This passage has NOTHING to do with blacks, Asians, Mexicans or anyone else, who Paul didn't even know about. It also has nothing to do with modern "Jews." It doesn't even have to do with the Edomites (ancestors of modern Jews), as they were not the Galatae to whom the letter was written.

Read the entire chapter from the first verse, and it should be more clear.

This is why if you don't research the original meanings of words, YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND THE BIBLE.

Twisting “world” into “only Israelites” is false. Yes, kosmos has shades of meaning, but John is explicit: • 1 John 2:2 — “He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.”

That is circular logic. You are ASSUMING that your definition of "world" is what YOU are thinking it means, and then trying to use it to DEFINE "world."

Also, it says "our" sins. Who are these "our" people?

The Israelites. That's WHO the Bible is ABOUT.

Yes -- a FAMILY (or House) of a PARTICULAR people. Not everyone.

So let’s be clear: • Jesus did not die for one race. • Paul did not preach to one bloodline. • The Spirit is not parceled out by genes it is received by consent and surrender

Let's be CRYSTAL clear: YOU ARE WRONG.

Here is proof:

Matthew 15:24, Jesus says --

I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

He came for NO ONE ELSE.

Said so HIMSELF.

You want to ignore that.

But you do so at your peril.

Also, Paul wrote his epistles to his FELLOW ISRAELITE BROTHERS.

He mentions this in Romans 11:1 --

For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

He was writing to his BLOOD BROTHERS, spreading the word of Christ, so they would set up proper churches and let their kin know about it.

I stand by my “insult” ...

Your insult means nothing to me, because you won't even respond to my points. You just pretend I didn't say anything so you can repeat yourself.

You don't have the intellectual integrity to engage in a debate or discussion like this.

That is a damn shame, but it is YOUR shame.

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– joanofsnark 1 point 290 days ago +1 / -0

If you were insulted that was because you were lying. Being misinformed is not insulting the way you took my statement is proof you have a deceptive agenda. I did address your points and you know it- I addressed them by pointing out the fallacy. There is no reason to address each point one by one built on fallacy because your argument fails at the very root. Actually if you had understood parable of the Feast you would not need a break down because Christ truth is clarion for those with eyes to see and ears to hear. I initially leaned into a direction of assuming you were misunderstanding but now I believe you are unable to understand what is not plainly spoken. Before I do- again I urge you seek Christ. Allow him to teach you and lay down this falseness. Allow his love and truth to transform your heart and lead you from hatred to grace-

I am addressing your arguments because they contain very twisted dogma designed to dissuade others from the Gospel. If that is your goal then I pray you turn away. What you can not see and can not understand is not weak people blindly following- It is built on a reality that exist with or without your permission or understanding necessary. Our Lord is love incarnate but he is also the greatest power in all the universe and I caution you STRONGLY to turn to and not away from him. I won’t be baited into wasting anymore time on you. After addressing your lies plainly I will pray for you and nothing else.

Lie: “The Bible is a bloodline story—it’s about race.” Truth: The Bible is a redemption story. Genealogies show Christ’s fulfillment, not racial supremacy. Outsiders were included: Rahab (Canaanite), Ruth (Moabite) (Matt. 1:5).

Galatians 3:29 — “If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”

Lie: “‘Nation’ means only blood relatives.” Truth: The Greek word ethnos means “peoples, nations, Gentiles.” Paul calls himself “apostle to the Gentiles” (Rom. 11:13). Nations in Scripture = people groups, not genetics.

Revelation 5:9 — “With your blood you purchased for God persons from every tribe and language and people and nation.”

Lie: “Jews corrupted Christianity to manipulate others.” Truth: Christianity began with Jews, through the Jewish Messiah. Jesus was Jewish. The apostles were Jewish. The first church was Jewish. Jews didn’t corrupt Christianity they faced the same corruptor Christians do. The Corruption happened with the serpent and no people are immune. Christ came for all through the first man who did not seek to define God but instead sought to truly learn. So that people already had the foundation needed to bring the messiah’s message into. Christ himself made it clear that belief not bloodline is most important. The first shall be last and the last shall be first.

John 4:22 — Jesus: “Salvation is from the Jews.” Romans 1:16 — “First to the Jew, then to the Gentile.” The apostles died as martyrs, not manipulators.

Lie: “John 3:16 and Galatians only applied to them, not us.” Truth: John 1:29 — “The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.” 1 John 2:2 — “Not only for our sins but also for the sins of the whole world.” Romans 10:12 — “There is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him.”

Lie: “Christianity was meant for one race.” Truth: Acts 2:5 — “God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven” at Pentecost. Acts 10:34–35 — “God does not show favoritism but accepts from every nation the one who fears him.” Revelation 7:9 — “A great multitude… from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne.”

⚓ Any teaching that pits the people of God against each other is not hidden wisdom—it is an old lie. Christ’s blood was shed for all nations. The cross doesn’t divide by race; it unites by grace.

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