I think everyone knows Tyler never bagged a deer at 200 yards. with any .30-06 ever.
In another post, @konadog points out wounds consistent with .22cal. exit on left.
previous posts point to this video and spitball various multiple shot ideas but I see one shot only and it's NOT at all who the commentator says to focus on.
I've been analyzing above and totally ignoring commentator. Instead other comments got me completely focused on the green shirt guy immediately to Charlie's right. (whom I don't see at numerous campus talks) If you watch very very very carefully you can see the slightest possible recoil (or movement) from the "object" under his arm. Guard behind Charlie (who is in many campus visits with Charlie) flinches like everyone else but the green shirt guy does not flinch and instead moves resolutely to hide? his underarm object. Does anyone have a link to the longer video? Has this guy been cleared?
I think anyone who has seen killings is going to come in and say there's no way the green guy shot Kirk based on the way Kirk's body moved. he was clearly shot from the front or from below in the front. Not where the green shirt guy is.
Kirk's body went back, meaning no one to the right of Kirk could have done that.
He looks like he is holding something under his left armpit ..., and as soon as the shot goes off, he quickly whips the hand to his right side, and steps back.. But you are right - that is a strange reaction to a shot. (I can't make out if there is anything in that hand - why is all this footage so grainy?
Plus there's black-shirt dude, with all his weird hand signals, and brown-shirt dude to the front of Charlie, who smirks, and does not flinch at all, also with the weird hand signals - patting his sleeve, or something.
I wish some mil-dude, or marine on here would explain what all those hand-signals actually mean?
I also, when first saw this, thought the underarm guy was who was meant. If he has something under his arm, it is pointing in the correct direction. Whereas the white shirt crowd guy doesn't have anything in his hands! and, his shot would need to go through the neck from the other side.
Downvote me too I guess.
One possibility, the white shirt chap is triggering the device in green shirt guys armpit remotely, I suppose that's possible, although maybe there is an entry wound too - I haven’t seen any info on that at all.
Or, as I speculated elsewhere, the white shirt jolting guy is signalling to someone else entirely to take the shot as he jolts. He repeats the jolt until the shot happens, it took two signals. The others were signalling that the patsy was in position only, and the shot can then be triggered and the patsy pointed out. Patsy runs having made no shot (but was perhaps hypnotised into thinking he was taking the shot) This would also explain why he didn’t even have a rifle.
I think Charlie was wearing some kind of a breast plate protector. The way his shirt lifts as if the bullet bounced off it and into his neck, creating a bigger entry wound as the round likely splayed into a wider ball so to speak. Otherwise that wound is too large for a typical entry wound, plus the bullet would have an exit wound somewhere. We need to know if the main bullet fragment was retrieved, or at least x rayed to show where it lodged in the neck. If it is not there then it exited somewhere and they are not telling us. They need to confirm whether Charlie was wearing some kind of chest protector. The emergency doctors/surgeons at the hospital should know. I justify my comment as a retired Oral/Maxillofacial surgeon who has treated many facial gunshots during my career.
I am posting under my presumption that we all know it did not come from the roof, atm I think there was one shot and it was close not far away to increase accuracy. The point of this post is to examine this possibility from videos and anons' experience. I freely admit I have not seen all the angles.
I think everyone knows Tyler never bagged a deer at 200 yards. with any .30-06 ever. In another post, @konadog points out wounds consistent with .22cal. exit on left.
previous posts point to this video and spitball various multiple shot ideas but I see one shot only and it's NOT at all who the commentator says to focus on.
I've been analyzing above and totally ignoring commentator. Instead other comments got me completely focused on the green shirt guy immediately to Charlie's right. (whom I don't see at numerous campus talks) If you watch very very very carefully you can see the slightest possible recoil (or movement) from the "object" under his arm. Guard behind Charlie (who is in many campus visits with Charlie) flinches like everyone else but the green shirt guy does not flinch and instead moves resolutely to hide? his underarm object. Does anyone have a link to the longer video? Has this guy been cleared?
I think anyone who has seen killings is going to come in and say there's no way the green guy shot Kirk based on the way Kirk's body moved. he was clearly shot from the front or from below in the front. Not where the green shirt guy is.
Kirk's body went back, meaning no one to the right of Kirk could have done that.
He looks like he is holding something under his left armpit ..., and as soon as the shot goes off, he quickly whips the hand to his right side, and steps back.. But you are right - that is a strange reaction to a shot. (I can't make out if there is anything in that hand - why is all this footage so grainy?
Plus there's black-shirt dude, with all his weird hand signals, and brown-shirt dude to the front of Charlie, who smirks, and does not flinch at all, also with the weird hand signals - patting his sleeve, or something.
I wish some mil-dude, or marine on here would explain what all those hand-signals actually mean?
The hand signals mean whatever meaning they assigned to them. There is no rule book to follow.
I think they are grainy due to compression by social media servers to save space.
I also, when first saw this, thought the underarm guy was who was meant. If he has something under his arm, it is pointing in the correct direction. Whereas the white shirt crowd guy doesn't have anything in his hands! and, his shot would need to go through the neck from the other side.
Downvote me too I guess.
One possibility, the white shirt chap is triggering the device in green shirt guys armpit remotely, I suppose that's possible, although maybe there is an entry wound too - I haven’t seen any info on that at all.
Or, as I speculated elsewhere, the white shirt jolting guy is signalling to someone else entirely to take the shot as he jolts. He repeats the jolt until the shot happens, it took two signals. The others were signalling that the patsy was in position only, and the shot can then be triggered and the patsy pointed out. Patsy runs having made no shot (but was perhaps hypnotised into thinking he was taking the shot) This would also explain why he didn’t even have a rifle.
Wild goose chase
Regarding Hand signals.
I have heard others explain that its just standard security related signals....
OK then are they doing these ALL the way throughout or JUST during this short window where Kirk gets either shot or "shot".
Also if legit sercurity communication, then what is the signal for "hey look at all the roofs and make sure they are clear"
I think Charlie was wearing some kind of a breast plate protector. The way his shirt lifts as if the bullet bounced off it and into his neck, creating a bigger entry wound as the round likely splayed into a wider ball so to speak. Otherwise that wound is too large for a typical entry wound, plus the bullet would have an exit wound somewhere. We need to know if the main bullet fragment was retrieved, or at least x rayed to show where it lodged in the neck. If it is not there then it exited somewhere and they are not telling us. They need to confirm whether Charlie was wearing some kind of chest protector. The emergency doctors/surgeons at the hospital should know. I justify my comment as a retired Oral/Maxillofacial surgeon who has treated many facial gunshots during my career.
I am posting under my presumption that we all know it did not come from the roof, atm I think there was one shot and it was close not far away to increase accuracy. The point of this post is to examine this possibility from videos and anons' experience. I freely admit I have not seen all the angles.