sure. They can lie all they want, and do the opposite. It does not change the fact that these people often come from areas where they cannot relinquish their citizenship. So, if that is the case, it should be law that you cannot become an American.
But in cases of obvious fraud, and treason .....
Personally, I have no problem in and of itself with the basic tenents of islam. believing that all is as god wills it ... well ... deus vult. Or, praying 7 times a day, no problem. If they need to pay a religious tax, so be it, provided it does not support terrorism, and an all inclusive too Mecca, I see no problem there. In my view such life's choices are perfectly compatible. And if the idea of Jihad is merely internal, I see no issue there, but I guess you'd have to struggle with yourself if you want to take a literal view of the religious texts.
After all, if the basic tenets have no grounding in the base texts then, why call it pillars? So, these pillars need to be viewed through the lense of their own writings and how they want to apply it.
The problem starts with the view of what Quran says, or the Hadith. It basically is promiscuous, pedosexual, homosexual, thievery by conquest and death, is toxic to both women and men, to humanity actually. It fosters a culture of silence, obedience and compliance. In short: the same bullshit one would expect from Talmudic writings. There is no way to make it symbolic.
Convert has bee tried. Why you think expulsion was the preferred method?
Interestingly, banishing people has been done for centuries. It could be applied to those stealing, etc. These people could be banished for a year, or 100 years.
It was an easy solution, and worked well. Better than prisons.
But since it is declared a human right to settle in a different area of the globe, it has tension with the concept of nation state.
We often hear that nation state is a new phenomenon, and in terms of law, that may be the case. In effect, it has always existed, from the village/town/city level to regions and whole continents. This too has been the idea behind "indentured servitude", where prison sentences could be swapped for "working off a debt to society, in some colony. Of course it was abused for commercial profit.
Compared to galley service (Spain/France for instance) or outright slavery in Turkish and Barbary coast areas, it seemed reasonably mild.
But to clean house, and make the country secure, I guess a exit of not only sharia lovers is needed. Their enablers too.
Remember, it's in the Koran, they can lie.
sure. They can lie all they want, and do the opposite. It does not change the fact that these people often come from areas where they cannot relinquish their citizenship. So, if that is the case, it should be law that you cannot become an American. But in cases of obvious fraud, and treason .....
Personally, I have no problem in and of itself with the basic tenents of islam. believing that all is as god wills it ... well ... deus vult. Or, praying 7 times a day, no problem. If they need to pay a religious tax, so be it, provided it does not support terrorism, and an all inclusive too Mecca, I see no problem there. In my view such life's choices are perfectly compatible. And if the idea of Jihad is merely internal, I see no issue there, but I guess you'd have to struggle with yourself if you want to take a literal view of the religious texts.
After all, if the basic tenets have no grounding in the base texts then, why call it pillars? So, these pillars need to be viewed through the lense of their own writings and how they want to apply it.
The problem starts with the view of what Quran says, or the Hadith. It basically is promiscuous, pedosexual, homosexual, thievery by conquest and death, is toxic to both women and men, to humanity actually. It fosters a culture of silence, obedience and compliance. In short: the same bullshit one would expect from Talmudic writings. There is no way to make it symbolic.
So, it is not compatible at all.
Convert them or they don't stay.
Convert has bee tried. Why you think expulsion was the preferred method?
Interestingly, banishing people has been done for centuries. It could be applied to those stealing, etc. These people could be banished for a year, or 100 years.
It was an easy solution, and worked well. Better than prisons.
But since it is declared a human right to settle in a different area of the globe, it has tension with the concept of nation state.
We often hear that nation state is a new phenomenon, and in terms of law, that may be the case. In effect, it has always existed, from the village/town/city level to regions and whole continents. This too has been the idea behind "indentured servitude", where prison sentences could be swapped for "working off a debt to society, in some colony. Of course it was abused for commercial profit.
Compared to galley service (Spain/France for instance) or outright slavery in Turkish and Barbary coast areas, it seemed reasonably mild.
But to clean house, and make the country secure, I guess a exit of not only sharia lovers is needed. Their enablers too.
The unfortunate thing is, the enablers are foreign entities. Like the UK situation.