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Right-Wing Environmentalism: "Conservative Conservation"
I was wondering what you all think of environmentalism
I sometimes see an overlap between saving money and being "eco-friendly" as certain "waste" products are just unused potential raw material
It seems like the mainstream right is pretty "anti-environmentalism" which... kind of sounds weird and like some industrialized steps removed from being more of an agrarian society I guess
Things like climate change seem like a scam to distract people from more tangible environmental issues, things like:
-(actual waste like mentioned above)
-pollution, which causes diseases in people and corporations dodge paying for the clean-up. Corporations cause this actual problem of pollution and then conveniently offer political solutions of their choice to solve the problem they created (and also kind of try to lump these real problems into vague proposed problems like "climate change" which are less directly visible)
-proliferation of microplastics which harm our ecosystems and cause diseases in our bodies
-carcinogenic additives to foods, whether they are pesticides or artificial flavoring and so on (or fluoride in the water, etc.)
Do you have an interest in "environmentalism" and what do you think would get more "conservatives" interested in taking care of the environment and what do you think "right-wing environmentalism" should look like?
It was republicans who were the ones pushing on the environment in the 90s
Just like they were the ones pushing against discrimination and also the ones working on disabilities.
I have no idea how the libs convinced normies they were the ones who originally cared about any of this.
Bush created the acid rain cap-and-trade program. Republicans supported the Clean Air Act Amendments (1990) and the ozone hole / CFC ban (Montreal Protocol)
So yes conservative environmentalism can work and that's why democrats moved the goal post with climate change. We were all for actual solutions and fixing things that could be fixed so democrats got behind theory that has zero scientific evidence and started blaming it all on things not even a developing country could give up (oil and gas)
Im an avid outdoorsman and cannot stand big piles of litter in the outdoors. I see empty plastic bait and tackle containers, plastic water bottles and all kinds of trash. I used to keep trashbags in my truck just to clean up after other people's mess. Now, paper, I dont mind. That stuff breaks down and makes good compost for the worms, and worms improve the soil.
I also care about animal populations. Im a hunter and a large portion of the meat that gets put on my table comes from what I hunt. Deer, turkey, rabbit, squirrel. Im careful not to kill of my entire population and I do support conservation efforts, but ironically, I cant stand game wardens.
I also do care about pollution. I dont want chemicals and raw sewage being dumped in the rivers, lakes and streams. Again, being an avid outdoorsman, alot of the fish that gets put on my table comes from fish I catch in lakes, ponds and rivers. But at the same time, the EPA is so overbearing with their emissions standards, that they have RUINED the reliability on deisel and gas trucks. Ive also heard stories about farmers not being allowed their cattle to drink from water bodies ON THE FARMER'S LAND. What kind of nonsense is that?? I also heard stories about factories that use water to cool off industrial equipment, and instad of just running water from the "tap", theyre required to install expensive equipment to "make sure the water is clean".