It really is a great awakening
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F'k Israel!
Biggest Enemy that America has ever had.
Biggest destruction of America is all because of Israel.
If that region got glassed, we would have world peace and a thriving nation.
Israel is saved for last because it's a devisive issue for the wHATs. Emphasizing it too soon serves our enemies. Handle with care.
Maybe it's also for last because liberals already hate Israel, Republicans are learning that Israel was actually never once a friend or ally. And we're all learning that Israel has continually fucked us over. Some unification opportunities there.
From the time God brought them out of Egyptian bondage they have been in a revolt against Him. Only through short periods of history did they follow God but then they would turn to do what was right in their own eyes. The awakening will turn the entire world against Israel as predicted. They will suffer punishment like no other people have. The real Holocaust will kill 2/3rds of them. It's not going to be a bed of roses for the rest of the world either. IMHO
I have begun to think this, too, that the awakening will be the very thing that breaks the Jewish narrative driving U.S. foreign policy. It doesn’t work anymore to rename Israeli atrocities to make them seem okay, and neither does pointing and saying, “Look at that horrible thing over there!”
Okay, it looks like the fit is upon me. I feel a long rant coming on. Long breath . . .
The Jewish narrative driving U.S. foreign policy infected our churches first in a form of a doctrine suggesting the nation of Israel had some kind of parallel covenant, a separate superior arrangement with God that came complete with threats of divine wrath upon those who noticed anything fishy and said something. (This effectively made being nice to Jews a requirement for eternal salvation. Why didn't anyone notice?) Before this doctrine took hold, it was universally believed that Christ was the ultimate fulfillment of all previous Jewish covenants with God, and that in Him the promises of those covenants were available to everyone of any ethnicity by faith. I see this whole modern doctrine is a protection mechanism very much like the Missionaria Protectiva of the Bene Gesserit in Dune, only instead of making up prophecies to shape the opinions of potential enemies, they deviously reinterpret existing ones in a way that supports their plans for the world and ensures their future safety.
I woke up from that deception the minute I realized preachers were misinterpreting the 70 weeks of Daniel 9 in a preposterous way to make their narrative work, and that made me wonder what else they might be mistaken about. I say “mistaken” because many of them were taught this in seminary and saw no reason to question it by the very same “authoritative speaker” thing that makes people believe doctors, professors, and the news people and experts on TV.
A lot of real estate got liberated in my brain when I began to see that the whole end times narrative of Protestant American Churches, including the supposed everlasting superiority of the Jewish covenants, regardless of whether they broke them, was built on interpreting those verses a certain way. It shocked me to realize it was intentional when I saw evidence that the Scofield Bible, in which the theories of John Nelson Darby were enshrined as being as weighty and authoritative as scripture, was financed by occult Masonic interests. Actually, that was only the last nail in the coffin for me. I already knew that Darby’s end times narrative preceded him by centuries in the futurist writings of a Jesuit priest named Fransisco Ribera, which might have been where Darby dug it up.
I used to believe that narrative, hook, line, and sinker because it was the only thing anyone ever preached, but I came to better wisdom when I saw the truth that the 70 weeks of Daniel 9 had been completely, totally fulfilled in the coming of Jesus the Messiah and the subsequent destruction of Jerusalem 40 years later. Those two things brought the Jewish system of sacrifice and offering to an end, just as the angel Gabriel said in the preamble (verse 24). To understand that all you have to do is read this prophecy without someone telling you want to see.
There is no “prophetic pause” into which any amount of time can be inserted. Nobody interpreted scripture that way before Darby, and nothing in this prophecy is referring to some future antichrist. "He" in verse 27 is not referring to the antichrist. The prince "who is to come" already came. He was the Roman General Titus. "He" in verse 27 is Jesus, who was cut off in the middle of the week in which he was confirming his new covenant. Three and a half years of ministry, death, resurrection, then three and a half years of one-last-chance ministry to the nation of Judah (through the disciples) before turning away to offer salvation to the rest of humanity. That doomed the remaining Jews to reap what Moses said they would if they persisted in their sins against God, and it was pretty grim if you believe what Josephus wrote about what happened.
Man, you dismiss nearly 25% of Bible prophesy. The 70th week did not end in 70AD. Jesus did not reign for 1000 years. Satan has never been locked away for a 1000 years. You spread false doctrine that is not Biblical. Don't add or take away from scripture. You condemn yourself if you do.
No, I didn't, and no I haven't. My salvation isn't dependent on what I believe about eschatology, which is not a requirement. It depends only upon the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of the living God who was with God and was God before anything was ever made. My salvation is in the divine pardon I have through His precious blood, which I possess by faith.
How many ways do you think a believer can lose his salvation? Condemnation only comes through the law, and I, as a believer, am not under the law, but under grace, so don't threaten my afterlife as if everyone who doesn't believe exactly what you do about peripheral things will run afoul of God. I am not condemned, and I do not condemn myself. I'm not going to be falling from grace because I challenge the man-made doctrine you believe.
In any case, I am not adding to scripture or taking away from it. That's what the people advocating your brand of eschatology do. There are other prophecies your could use to better make your case, but not this one. The 70th week absolutely ended in ad 70. I'm sorry if that shakes you.
You need to read the last chapter of Revelation about adding to God’s word or taking away from the prophecies in it. Sorry if that shakes you but you can’t just claim Jesus for your Savior and go on your own ideas.
Again I ask by your eschatology when did Jesus ever rule from the throne of David for a thousand years?
"How absolute the knave is."
I never said that I thought every prophecy about Christ had been fulfilled. You inserted that in within your own mind because you can't think outside of the prophetic timeline box that was constructed for you. By the way, I have read all of Revelation many times, and I'm familiar with John's warning. I just don't think it applies to what people think. As for being shaken, I assure you I am not. My heart is as calm as a glassy sea on a windless day because I have full assurance of faith, and I know what I believe and who I believe, and I don't need anyone to agree with me. Your doubt of my salvation means nothing to me at all because you have not been appointed to be my judge.
I only raised questions about what people believe about prophecy without making it an issue affecting salvation, which I don't believe it is. I have not attacked your salvation or your faith at all, even though I could just as easily say I see no proof of it in any of your replies. People can say anything, as you are right to observe. However, I do find it interesting that you would hang my salvation on issues other than my faith in Christ, which you challenge because I don't agree with you on things you seem to think I must also believe in order to be truly saved, things I must add to the sufficiency of Christ in order to make my salvation true.
There is more to this than a difference of opinion you don't want to allow. Your alarm over the fact that there's somebody out there who diverges from your religious box and still claims to be a Christian tells me you need people to agree with you in order to feel secure about what you believe. I'm not wrong, and I'm not angry. I was probably being indulgent to make such a long rant without being invited to do so, and for that I apologize. I imagine you might have felt attacked. That was never my intention, but be that as it may, I do not apologize for the bluntness of my replies, which only mirror the bluntness of yours, but even so, there is no ill will on my part in any of this.
By the way, concerning the question of the thousand year reign of Christ, I have no idea when that will come to be. I used to "know," until I realized I didn't know and had to learn to be okay with that.
John's warning---It was Jesus speaking through John.
Your doubt of my salvation---I don't judge just saying what the Bible says. You can believe whatever you want but my warning---if you are espousing your beliefs as the truth -- is to be aware of the warning God gave about adding to His word.
without making it an issue affecting salvation,-- I don't believe I said that. If you took it that way, that is not what I meant. You don't have to believe that was a worldwide flood or everything was created in 6 days either. Faith in Jesus is what saves you. Changing God's word is another thing and what God does about that is up to Him.
you seem to think I must also believe in order to be truly saved, things I must add to the sufficiency of Christ in order to make my salvation true.
Never said you had to believe anything of the sort. I simply was saying what the Bible teaches through scripture.
The thousand year reign of Christ happens after the Great Tribulation according to scripture when He returns. His second coming will be like a lion. His first was as a lamb.
There can be a huge difference between what the Bible teaches and what people say it teaches. Anyway, I think we've said about enough to each other. There is nothing you can say to me that I don't know or haven't heard before. That's not pride. That's just a fact. There's nothing new in anything you've said to me, and I know what the rest of the conversation is going to be like.
It's obvious that neither of us is going to budge. We would just be arguing in circles from this point, and since I don't think that would be helpful to anybody, I'm going to be done now.
Claim victory, if you wish, or call me a coward for backing away from this conversation, even pity me as a poor lost soul, but I've lived too many decades to waste my time saying the same things over and over to a person who can't hear me over his demands that I submit to his dogma. I don't think you have come to any conclusions. I think what you have are the conclusions that were given to you, and that you're terrified at the notion that some of that might not be true the way it's been presented.
Thanks for engaging. I truly hope everything goes well for you in the new year.
"They" are not the current country of Israel. They share only the name. Most people in Israel have zero Semitic autosomal DNA, just German DNA going back to central Asia (Tartaria). I wish people in church knew this.
I wish you knew that the Jews were intermingled with other nations from the times of the Judges all the way up to the 20th century. Scattered throught the world by the Roman Empire as slaves, the intermingled with Europeans from Britain to Asia for nearly 2000 years but they never gave up on their religion. The Jewish people would have more ancestry in Europe than Semitic because they were banned from the Middle East. The Jews in Israel are from over 100 nations all over the world. That does not mean the 1948 re-establishemt of Israel is not the one God said would be there in the End Times.
Jdg_3:6 And they took their daughters to be their wives, and gave their daughters to their sons, and served their gods.
There are actual Semitic Jews, but not that many families. The country of Israel was a terrible plan. BTW, Jews and Israelites are two entirely different things. The "lost ten tribes" of the Israelites were scattered all over the world. I might be one. I don't know. But the "Jews" in Germany only assumed the "religion." They didn't have that "religion" originally. Look up "name stealers" and Tartaria.
God talked about the nation of Israel as a whole, meaning the Israelites, not a small set of wannabees who don't include all the tribes.
There are no "Lost Ten" tribes of Israel. IF you read your Bible you will find that Judah and Benjamin were not the ONLY two tribes that lived in Judea. The tribe of Levi left the Northern nation of Israel and moved to Judea after the norther nation started idol worship and all those of the tribes of Israel that followed God moved to Judea. So in Judea you have segments of all 12 tribes.
2Ch 11:13 And the priests and the Levites who were in all Israel were gathered to him out of all the coasts. 2Ch 11:14 For the Levites left the tents of their possession, and went to Juda to Jerusalem, because Jeroboam and his sons had ejected them so that they should not minister to the Lord.
That leaves 9 tribes.
2Ch 11:15 And he made for himself priests of the high places, and for the idols, and for the vanities, and for the calves which Jeroboam made. 2Ch 11:16 And he cast out from the tribes of Israel those who set their heart to seek the Lord God of Israel: and they came to Jerusalem, to sacrifice to the Lord God of their fathers.
There are some of all the tribes.
Besides that, the northern nation was taken as slaves to Assyria and were eventually became slaves of the Babylonians which also took slaves of the the Jews and so they were intermingled again with each other and were eventually set free under the Persian King. Many went back to Jerusalem and the others dispersed throughout the Persian Empire. THAT is history according to God.
I have read the Bible through and through since 1966. Yes, most of the Israelites were dispersed. Many wound up in Europe. The church fathers recorded where the disciples went to preach, and Jesus had told them not to preach to Gentiles. This means there were Jews in Europe during the time of Jesus.
Yes, there might have been a few of the other tribes who managed to get back to the Middle East, but it wasn't very many.
Vert few in Israel are Semites, originating from the real Jewish, Tora reading Jews. researchers have found only about 5% in Isreal and about 15% in Gaza.
From the times of the Judges, those of the tribes of Israel including the Jews intermingled with the other nations around them. Jdg_3:6 And they took their daughters to be their wives, and gave their daughters to their sons, and served their gods.
Also from the time of the final Roman destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD and especially 133AD, the people of Judea were expelled from the land and spread all over the Roman Empire from Britain to Persia as slaves. You know what happens to slave women. They have no choice in the matter. I find it amazing that after 2000 years scattered into all the world that were able to keep their religion. Half of the state of Israel today are from Russia! Theo other half come from 99 other countries around the world. Today they are a universal people.
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I got suspended from this site for speaking ill of a country that was founded in 1948 in the middle east. Its always them, though.
God bless you NeilS. Happy New Year. You're a Brave & Righteous Soul 💪💚🙏👏