That's the issue, though. It would really have to be a sliding scale, because what's a prohibitive fine for a mom and pop place hiring one or two illegals a year is absolutely nothing to a billionaire hiring thousands of illegals a year.
And the billionaires have a lot of sway with the laws getting passed. Because, money.
So....🤷♀️.
And we could try pivoting from monetary fines to mandatory time served in jail. But then again the fat cats would still get off, because they would just throw their managers under the bus, saying it was them that hired illegals (while ignoring the fact that the company owners threaten their managers with getting fired if they don't keep payroll numbers down.)
Of course, an EO could solve that issue. Until the next President comes along and revokes it. 🤷♀️
I think jail time is a much better deterrent than a fine, but it's going to be a problem because it will disproportionately affect middle managers who are simply following the unofficial directions from their superiors and business owners.
If a business owner makes it clear that the hiring manager needs to keep payroll below X amount, and the only way to actually do that is by hiring illegals who will work for much less than legal Americans, it's punishing the wrong person.
But conversely, if the owner of the company really has no idea that their employees are hiring illegals, then they're being punished unfairly as well.
It's a really fucked up situation.
Personally, I think that if it's a mom and pop place (small business owner, only hires a few illegals) then give them a sliding scale fine where it hurts them enough to discourage them from doing it again, but not so big that it ruins them.
If it's a big business, give the people who actually hire the illegals (middle managers) a sliding scale fine to make it hurt, but not ruin them. Then investigate to see how pervasive the practice is in the company, and how likely it is that the higher ups and owners knew about it.
And if it can be proven the upper management and owners knew about it then give them jailtime that they can't buy their way out of (either with good lawyers who get the case dropped or by buying off politicians to change the law).
All of this assumes that corruption won't interfere with justice. So...yeah. 🤷♀️
The money the companies save with hiring illegals is more than what the fines are.
They MAKE the laws, make the fines so much they wouldn't do it!
That's the issue, though. It would really have to be a sliding scale, because what's a prohibitive fine for a mom and pop place hiring one or two illegals a year is absolutely nothing to a billionaire hiring thousands of illegals a year.
And the billionaires have a lot of sway with the laws getting passed. Because, money.
So....🤷♀️.
And we could try pivoting from monetary fines to mandatory time served in jail. But then again the fat cats would still get off, because they would just throw their managers under the bus, saying it was them that hired illegals (while ignoring the fact that the company owners threaten their managers with getting fired if they don't keep payroll numbers down.)
Of course, an EO could solve that issue. Until the next President comes along and revokes it. 🤷♀️
How about adding a year in jail?
I think jail time is a much better deterrent than a fine, but it's going to be a problem because it will disproportionately affect middle managers who are simply following the unofficial directions from their superiors and business owners.
If a business owner makes it clear that the hiring manager needs to keep payroll below X amount, and the only way to actually do that is by hiring illegals who will work for much less than legal Americans, it's punishing the wrong person.
But conversely, if the owner of the company really has no idea that their employees are hiring illegals, then they're being punished unfairly as well.
It's a really fucked up situation.
Personally, I think that if it's a mom and pop place (small business owner, only hires a few illegals) then give them a sliding scale fine where it hurts them enough to discourage them from doing it again, but not so big that it ruins them.
If it's a big business, give the people who actually hire the illegals (middle managers) a sliding scale fine to make it hurt, but not ruin them. Then investigate to see how pervasive the practice is in the company, and how likely it is that the higher ups and owners knew about it.
And if it can be proven the upper management and owners knew about it then give them jailtime that they can't buy their way out of (either with good lawyers who get the case dropped or by buying off politicians to change the law).
All of this assumes that corruption won't interfere with justice. So...yeah. 🤷♀️