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Russia just signaled they’re READY to ditch the BRICS push and trade with the US in GOOD OL’ US DOLLARS again! (twitter.com) 🌎 𝓦𝓦𝓖1𝓦𝓖𝓐𝓦𝓦 🌍
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– RabidIndividualist 2 points 109 days ago +2 / -0

" Ill consider blockchain crypto as well as a currency."

Blockchain crypto is a fiat currency. It only has value because people agree that it has value.

It's only advantage over paper fiat is that the supply is fixed. But that doesn't change the fact that silver and gold have manufacturing value and blockchain crypto doesn't.

Don't get me wrong, jump in and play with it, make some real money with it if you can. But don't depend on it.

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– AmateurExpert 1 point 109 days ago +1 / -0

Blockchain crypto is a fiat currency. It only has value because people agree that it has value.

That definition would include every currency and all money. “Fiat” specifically means that some external force or issuer backs it by pure decree.

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– RabidIndividualist 1 point 108 days ago +1 / -0

No, a currency is a fiat currency when there is nothing to back it.

This includes a physical backed currency when fractional reserve banking is allowed.

If I can go down to the bank and exchange dollars for an equivalent amount of gold, silver, or other PM, it's not a fiat currency.

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– AmateurExpert 1 point 108 days ago +1 / -0

Fractional reserve is still fiat, because it’s effectively a shell game. The fiat simply isn’t seen unless people demand delivery. It’s a method of extracting the fractional or postponing insolvency.

Edit: I misunderstood this part of the statement, as it’s a bit odd, but yes “this includes… is allowed” is [mostly] correct, and has our first statements in agreement. Note that by “[mostly]”, I mean we had a “fractional reserve” system while there was also a gold window open at federal banks, per below note. ”Mostly”, because being able to exchange fiat paper currency for gold and “fractional reserve” are not necessarily exclusive. The gold window was open in some capacity until 1971(ish), dependent on the party.

Edit (ctd): The United States began using fractional reserve banking in the early 19th century, but it became more formalized with the establishment of the Federal Reserve in 1913, which set reserve requirements for banks. This system allowed banks to hold only a portion of deposits as reserves while lending out the rest.

Now, the way that it’s currently possible to exchange fiat for physical at a private store is interesting within that concept, but that can be done with crypto as well.

Crypto however, does not draw its value from government assurance of regulation, promises to pay treasury bonds, nor “full faith and credit”, but from being a public ledger and fulfilling other characteristics of money.

I assure you that your statement (“it’s fiat when nothing backs it” + “crypto is fiat”) is incorrect, and you should do more study on the issue. I can try pointing you to some resources if you want, but won’t argue this - my username is mostly intended as a jab at the “expert” class, but this is a stronger subject area of mine.

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– RabidIndividualist 1 point 107 days ago +1 / -0

That's what I said, outlaw fractional reserve banking.

If your bank has issued $1,000,000.00 in dollars, it better have $1,000,000.00 in PMs.

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– RabidIndividualist 1 point 108 days ago +1 / -0

"...it must be gold redeemable..."

That is the exact point I made in another reply in this thread

For a currency to NOT be a fiat currency it must be redeemable in gold, silver, or other PM from the bank, AND fractional reserve banking must be outlawed.

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– Lurqer 1 point 108 days ago +1 / -0

However, cash is anonymous, crypto i dont believe is

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– SOGWAP 1 point 103 days ago +1 / -0

All currency is fiat of not backed by somwthing

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