The whole U.S. is experiencing drought levels and [they] keep pushing these data centers by bribing and coercing the municipal, county, and State level politicians into accepting them while also giving major incentives to these corps(es) AND ALSO siging over "water rights" to these conglomerates, leaving The People to fend over whatever is left.
Here in FL, 60% or more of our aquifer access and usage has been signed over to these data centers. Meanwhile, the corporate and private sectors are seeing massive, unrestrained construction growth across almost all sectors. The whole of Florida is between 6-20+ ft BELOW the current required water needed just for residential usage across all 5 of Florida's Water Mgmt Districts.
Add to that, the selling off of our wild lands, our farm land, and even our conservation land, and Florida is slowly disappearing behind and under concrete. At the current rate of expansion, at some point between 2030-2050 we will see megalopolii spring up from Miami up to Orlando and west to Tampa, from Orlando/Kissimmee up the FL Turnpike tow Gainseville/Lake City, from Daytona Beach up I-95 to the FL-GA line and even into GA up to Kings Bay and maybe even Savannah, and from Tallahassee west to Mobile, ALA and maybe even all the way to New Orleans, LA.
And it may even be that we have a megalopolii from Homestead all the way to Savannah on the East Coast/I-95, and from Ft Myers (or south of there) all the way at up and around the Big Bend all the way to New Orleans or further west. If that happens, FL will look like one big giant concrete circle from Savannah all the way around the peninsula and out to N.O. or further West, with a giant swathe of concrete bisecting the length of the state from Okeechobee to Valdosta or even Atlanta.
It's ridiculous. And no matter how much we call, email, or write our politicians down here, it has very little effect. So far, we've been able to kill a couple of these data canters, but now our politicians and bureaucrats are convening meetings in private, blatantly violating our state, county, and municipal laws and rules requiring sufficient advanced notice of said meetings. In some cases, notices of the meetings go out mere minutes ahead of the scheduled times, leaving no time for proper mobilization from The People. And when lawsuits are brought, the courts schedule them so far out, that construction on these developments has already begun in earnest, money has already been distributed, pocketed, spent, and kicked back to the pols and bureaucrats, and then dispersed to the very judges making rulings on these cases. In almost every instance, lawsuits have either been thrown out by the judges, or rulings in favor of the corps(es) have been made. Blatantly violating The Will of The People.
We're getting to a point where the only recourse will be of a physical nature. And I shudder to think what that will look like, if and when it happens.
Are these data centers for all the crypto coinage? Or are they saving your bathroom photos as you scroll phone apps while you sit on the potty? I am concerned that persecution of people from oppressive governments may be stored in the United States for use against people in their countries.
This is propaganda. The argumentative structure is: (1) announce a Big Story, and (2) establish credibility by citing a number of truisms (sky is blue, 2+2=4, anything we agree with), and (3) get on the Paranoia Wagon by warning us all in salty language that our asses are grass and we need to do something NOW. (The claim about DDT causing cancer is overblown. It is only suspected as being a potential carcinogen, and the questions about the motives for its ban are not considered. As a result of the ban, millions of Third World children died from malaria.)
For the longest time, the Boeing Everett factory facility has been deemed the largest building in the world (by volume) and it covers 1,000 acres. So where is the photo of this 7,000-acre facility that this guy claims to exist in Alaska? How did it get built so fast, without publicity? For that matter, where are ANY photographs of data centers? I surely haven't seen any. Facilities that large would be visible on Google Maps. No map images. No position location information. Alaska is not the kind of place where huge industrial facilities can be easily situated and they would make a big splash on a map if they are the size claimed.
Agreed. A 7000 acre square building would be ~3.3 miles long on each side. I call BS. Also, you would cool electrical equipment with water in Alaska. You would need antifreeze or similar fluids in the frozen north.
I'm still puzzled over the stated need to cool with water. I surmise it is related to the high power utilization, but am still doubtful. Most computing equipment, by its nature, is well-cooled by airflow. Food canning operations have long ago perfected the art of massive, storehouse cooling by refrigeration, no water required. I would normally have considered Alaska (Anchorage & parts north) to be the "frozen north," but I guess I haven't seen the worst! (I've been in Anchorage during winter. You can drive on streets that are perfectly clear and well-lighted---but the walls of cleared snow on either side of the road are 20 feet high. You feel like a rat in a maze.)
I did a little reading on the data center complex being built near Abilene, Texas. They described what they were doing: constructing huge neural networks, with each neuron being tended to like a miniature computer in itself, for specific training and tasking. The picture became clear to me: they were attaining Artificial Intelligence by the most incredible scale of brute force operations. Which tells me that this will likely be superseded by more efficient methods, perhaps within a decade. I have no idea what such methods might be, but their present approach is like removing a hillside with an army of spade-workers carrying dirt in pails. I don't think it is "sustainable." Perhaps this will be leapfrogged by quantum computing.
But I get the picture that they are trying to pair up an eyeball and a larynx to think and talk, believing that massive pattern recognition / correlation and language translation is tantamount to conceptualization. I don't think it is. You might get an idiot-savant who drools and doesn't know how to use the toilet...
The whole U.S. is experiencing drought levels and [they] keep pushing these data centers by bribing and coercing the municipal, county, and State level politicians into accepting them while also giving major incentives to these corps(es) AND ALSO siging over "water rights" to these conglomerates, leaving The People to fend over whatever is left.
Here in FL, 60% or more of our aquifer access and usage has been signed over to these data centers. Meanwhile, the corporate and private sectors are seeing massive, unrestrained construction growth across almost all sectors. The whole of Florida is between 6-20+ ft BELOW the current required water needed just for residential usage across all 5 of Florida's Water Mgmt Districts.
Add to that, the selling off of our wild lands, our farm land, and even our conservation land, and Florida is slowly disappearing behind and under concrete. At the current rate of expansion, at some point between 2030-2050 we will see megalopolii spring up from Miami up to Orlando and west to Tampa, from Orlando/Kissimmee up the FL Turnpike tow Gainseville/Lake City, from Daytona Beach up I-95 to the FL-GA line and even into GA up to Kings Bay and maybe even Savannah, and from Tallahassee west to Mobile, ALA and maybe even all the way to New Orleans, LA.
And it may even be that we have a megalopolii from Homestead all the way to Savannah on the East Coast/I-95, and from Ft Myers (or south of there) all the way at up and around the Big Bend all the way to New Orleans or further west. If that happens, FL will look like one big giant concrete circle from Savannah all the way around the peninsula and out to N.O. or further West, with a giant swathe of concrete bisecting the length of the state from Okeechobee to Valdosta or even Atlanta.
It's ridiculous. And no matter how much we call, email, or write our politicians down here, it has very little effect. So far, we've been able to kill a couple of these data canters, but now our politicians and bureaucrats are convening meetings in private, blatantly violating our state, county, and municipal laws and rules requiring sufficient advanced notice of said meetings. In some cases, notices of the meetings go out mere minutes ahead of the scheduled times, leaving no time for proper mobilization from The People. And when lawsuits are brought, the courts schedule them so far out, that construction on these developments has already begun in earnest, money has already been distributed, pocketed, spent, and kicked back to the pols and bureaucrats, and then dispersed to the very judges making rulings on these cases. In almost every instance, lawsuits have either been thrown out by the judges, or rulings in favor of the corps(es) have been made. Blatantly violating The Will of The People.
We're getting to a point where the only recourse will be of a physical nature. And I shudder to think what that will look like, if and when it happens.
Are these data centers for all the crypto coinage? Or are they saving your bathroom photos as you scroll phone apps while you sit on the potty? I am concerned that persecution of people from oppressive governments may be stored in the United States for use against people in their countries.
This is propaganda. The argumentative structure is: (1) announce a Big Story, and (2) establish credibility by citing a number of truisms (sky is blue, 2+2=4, anything we agree with), and (3) get on the Paranoia Wagon by warning us all in salty language that our asses are grass and we need to do something NOW. (The claim about DDT causing cancer is overblown. It is only suspected as being a potential carcinogen, and the questions about the motives for its ban are not considered. As a result of the ban, millions of Third World children died from malaria.)
For the longest time, the Boeing Everett factory facility has been deemed the largest building in the world (by volume) and it covers 1,000 acres. So where is the photo of this 7,000-acre facility that this guy claims to exist in Alaska? How did it get built so fast, without publicity? For that matter, where are ANY photographs of data centers? I surely haven't seen any. Facilities that large would be visible on Google Maps. No map images. No position location information. Alaska is not the kind of place where huge industrial facilities can be easily situated and they would make a big splash on a map if they are the size claimed.
To me, this reeks.
Agreed. A 7000 acre square building would be ~3.3 miles long on each side. I call BS. Also, you would cool electrical equipment with water in Alaska. You would need antifreeze or similar fluids in the frozen north.
I'm still puzzled over the stated need to cool with water. I surmise it is related to the high power utilization, but am still doubtful. Most computing equipment, by its nature, is well-cooled by airflow. Food canning operations have long ago perfected the art of massive, storehouse cooling by refrigeration, no water required. I would normally have considered Alaska (Anchorage & parts north) to be the "frozen north," but I guess I haven't seen the worst! (I've been in Anchorage during winter. You can drive on streets that are perfectly clear and well-lighted---but the walls of cleared snow on either side of the road are 20 feet high. You feel like a rat in a maze.)
I did a little reading on the data center complex being built near Abilene, Texas. They described what they were doing: constructing huge neural networks, with each neuron being tended to like a miniature computer in itself, for specific training and tasking. The picture became clear to me: they were attaining Artificial Intelligence by the most incredible scale of brute force operations. Which tells me that this will likely be superseded by more efficient methods, perhaps within a decade. I have no idea what such methods might be, but their present approach is like removing a hillside with an army of spade-workers carrying dirt in pails. I don't think it is "sustainable." Perhaps this will be leapfrogged by quantum computing.
But I get the picture that they are trying to pair up an eyeball and a larynx to think and talk, believing that massive pattern recognition / correlation and language translation is tantamount to conceptualization. I don't think it is. You might get an idiot-savant who drools and doesn't know how to use the toilet...