edit, nice documentary putting the Balfour Declaration in historical context!
I did not find in the mention of alternative proposals what I was hoping to find, a retainer right of the British monarchy to be head of Palestine.
(the reason I was curious about this as an alternative proposal is that Mr.Juan 107 occasionally says that in other paperwork along with the Balfour declaration that the British monarchy did have the right to be on the throne like a retainer agreement — but Mr. Juan 107 often says in his stories things with a little grain of truth, but slightly off. — anyways credit to your post for leading me to find who Herbert Samuel actually was, first British high commissioner of Palestine!)
interesting, in process of reviewing
will be looking to see if there were any side deals amongst the competing declaration ideas
How is any land ever for sale ? It has ALL been stolen during wars since we stepped out of our caves. Kings and queens plant a flag and then divy it up. Then they tax it to make more money from the conquest.
And the fun thing about these kinds of movies is that they always try to whitewash something else and thats where our curiosity should go. In this case the entire establishment of Arab states as we know it, after destroying the Ottomon empire.
The King Faisel that they paint as some kind of a saint, was very crucial is the formation of Iraq, Syria and other Arab countries from the destruction of Ottoman Empire. His son famously celebrated the soldiers who massacred Assyrians.
People always focus on the creation of Israel, but the creation of Israel was just one small piece of the puzzle in the balkanization of the Ottoman Empire. They created a ton of Arab states and one Jewish state - typical British modus operendi to take control of any region.
Given the nature of the cultures in the region they didn't have clearly defined boundaries due to herding culture. The British did the same in Africa by artificially creating clearly defined boundaries which is why conflicts exists there too even to this day.
The region was actually part of the longest continuous Empire in the history - Ottoman empire. Ottoman empire was very powerful, and it required almost a century of shenanigans by the Britain (part of the Great Game) and radicalising the intellectual centers in the Ottoman Empire like Bagdad, Beirut, Damascus etc before they could weaken it enough to completely defeat it in WW1.
There were no boundaries because it was all one empire. The intellectual cities from which each rebel group hailed, became a country - Iraq, Syria, Lebenon etc.
Well there were many large empires that held that region throughout history dating back to antiquity.
But for example Bedouin herders shared land with one another because of the grazing.
That is why even on a current maps undefined or disputed borders are marked with red dash marks. Saudi Arabia and surrounding countries have these red dash marks to recognize this but also because they are not hospitable for long periods of time. The desert there is really a passage zone for herders and not hospitable for anyone to live there.
edit, nice documentary putting the Balfour Declaration in historical context!
I did not find in the mention of alternative proposals what I was hoping to find, a retainer right of the British monarchy to be head of Palestine.
(the reason I was curious about this as an alternative proposal is that Mr.Juan 107 occasionally says that in other paperwork along with the Balfour declaration that the British monarchy did have the right to be on the throne like a retainer agreement — but Mr. Juan 107 often says in his stories things with a little grain of truth, but slightly off. — anyways credit to your post for leading me to find who Herbert Samuel actually was, first British high commissioner of Palestine!)
interesting, in process of reviewing
will be looking to see if there were any side deals amongst the competing declaration ideas
And please explain HOW Palestine was for sale??
The international Bankers who secretly ran England and were key drivers of Colonization, decided it was for sale.
It was stolen. That's how it is done
How is any land ever for sale ? It has ALL been stolen during wars since we stepped out of our caves. Kings and queens plant a flag and then divy it up. Then they tax it to make more money from the conquest.
This story has 2 parts - ww1 and ww2.
Must watch Lawrence of Arabia to get full idea what happened in part 2
I do agree Lawrence of Arabia lays it out in easier terms to understand that part of history.
I misspoke - it lays out the story of part 1.
And the fun thing about these kinds of movies is that they always try to whitewash something else and thats where our curiosity should go. In this case the entire establishment of Arab states as we know it, after destroying the Ottomon empire.
The King Faisel that they paint as some kind of a saint, was very crucial is the formation of Iraq, Syria and other Arab countries from the destruction of Ottoman Empire. His son famously celebrated the soldiers who massacred Assyrians.
People always focus on the creation of Israel, but the creation of Israel was just one small piece of the puzzle in the balkanization of the Ottoman Empire. They created a ton of Arab states and one Jewish state - typical British modus operendi to take control of any region.
Given the nature of the cultures in the region they didn't have clearly defined boundaries due to herding culture. The British did the same in Africa by artificially creating clearly defined boundaries which is why conflicts exists there too even to this day.
The region was actually part of the longest continuous Empire in the history - Ottoman empire. Ottoman empire was very powerful, and it required almost a century of shenanigans by the Britain (part of the Great Game) and radicalising the intellectual centers in the Ottoman Empire like Bagdad, Beirut, Damascus etc before they could weaken it enough to completely defeat it in WW1.
There were no boundaries because it was all one empire. The intellectual cities from which each rebel group hailed, became a country - Iraq, Syria, Lebenon etc.
Well there were many large empires that held that region throughout history dating back to antiquity.
But for example Bedouin herders shared land with one another because of the grazing.
That is why even on a current maps undefined or disputed borders are marked with red dash marks. Saudi Arabia and surrounding countries have these red dash marks to recognize this but also because they are not hospitable for long periods of time. The desert there is really a passage zone for herders and not hospitable for anyone to live there.