You keep saying selfish, but every cell is “selfish”, like every gene and every person is - to a degree. The story is discussing cancerous cells. Cells SO selfish, that they not only cheat, but “capture the rules of the game” (which is to say, break the rules of the body, and metastasize into a tumor) such that their cheating can GROW unabated. This is not mere selfishness, this is the root of all evil.
p53, in a just society, would eliminate the oppressor, not the oppressed. Thus I hoped to evoke a more thought provoking discussion, along the lines of, how are these things determined beyond the “simple” scope of the network of cells we call a body?
It’s....
The story to go along with the hit videogame series (lol) Destiny. Much of the story is conveyed in these bite-sized “shorts”. This “book”, unveiling is a look at the conversation between the Gardener and the Winnower, the primordial “Light” and “Dark”.
Lol
Here’s another one I find quite cool:
https://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/ghost-fragment-darkness-3
I think the mark of a good question is that more than one side of the debate sees fervent truth, even if their expression of that truth is at odds with that of their debater’s
Just my, probably banal, two cents.
Hey, sometimes common cents is surprisingly lacking in online discourse, so thanks for staking out a space to share yours. I agree with your overall theme, but I wonder why that makes you see the question as flawed? Is it because no “governing body” for the “enforcement” is outlined, which is why you identified government/police? Or is it because it lacks the discussion of “checks and balances”?
Anyway, I’m glad it motivated others, and in turn you, to share
https://www.ishtar-collective.net/categories/book-unveiling
Might not be a standard source around here lol, but I recommend you check it out, some profound ideas. Entry #6 specifically, but all of those linked are quite interesting, and they present somewhat of a microcosmic view of existence
Interesting take... the way I always perceived the “trans humanists” was as a group fixated on the physical - they would rather “live” “forever” on a sterile microchip than live forever as subdivisions (sub-divine-sons) of God.
Can you imagine a definition of “transhumanism” that seeks a return to the pristine physical-spirit bodies of man before our fall? I feel like the battle of our times will be one fought between the physical-transhumanists and the spiritual-transhumanists, though these terms feel rather blunt and thus not particularly useful.
Thanks for sharing your compliments and insights!
Buddy, have you heard about this thing called Congress?
Or are you going to pull the “no true” fallacy out and say there aren’t any “properly organized societies” that exist in the world today?
Hmm...
Is death an agent of the Light, or the Dark? Or does Death supercede both and bow only to God?
On a similar note, what of the times God uses death as a righteous punishment? And surely the opposite is reflected in the first murderer, the cursed Cain? Which would indicate that by labeling p53 an agent of “death” you’ve merely pushed back the question. Thoughts?
Much like real life cancer cells that evade the bodies defense system.
Interesting point. What is one of our most “feared” diseases? HIV, which infects the bodies own immune cells, effectively guaranteeing its eventual success unless some other measure is taken
Checks and balances are needed.
Very insightful comment, thanks for sharing it
Insightful post, the one thought I could possibly add is that (in humans at least), in almost all cases (historically speaking), cancer was a death that would occur after breeding age. This makes it harder to argue that it serves any benefit. This (admittedly simple) analysis, combined with the fact that SO MANY cancers have been proven to be caused by gene-mediated environmental factors (e.g. childhood lymphoma and high voltage transformer stations, and breast cancer rates directly linked to BPAs released from consumer plastics) leads me to conclude there is nothing possibly good about it, and it is largely a result of TPTB slowly poising their herd of chattle
Everyone here hates marxism and all the degeneracy it spawns. You seem to be bringing a massive pair of vision-restricting glasses to your analysis here however.
It is a question posed to the reader, and almost every person I’ve got an answer from agreed with my own inclination that p53 is an agent of the Light. So the fact you read into this that the suppression of tumors is “bad” and that the analogy drawn to wider society such that human-analog “cancer suppressors” are deserving of being “lined up and shot” is rather absurd to me.
The handshake couldn’t muster more than the solitary word “fake” lol. So you’re right on both counts
Truly insightful post, I’m so glad you were inspired to share it
This sounds like something encouraging people to be afraid.
Not my intent in sharing...
Are you saying we all have a bomb in our bodies that eventually lead to death?
No, not really. The linked story is talking about the tumor suppression function built into our body. It is drawing an analogy between those tumors and what drives them, and what we can readily observe in many realms of human society. “Cheaters”, “gorging on the surplus of the body”, “rewriting the rules of the game to ensure their cheating not just continues, but grows unabated”
Basic problem of morality? Come on. Genetics and theology may mix but this little “talking ball” doesn’t really mean anything that I can see.
Look deeper, grasshopper
Interesting you bring them up, as far as I know, they have some very unique features that set them apart from the vast majority of the animal kingdom. They are effectively blind, they almost never see the sun, and they are community oriented to a degree not seen anywhere else amongst the mammals (as far as I’m aware).
A quick trip to wiki reminds me that their metabolism and breath-rate are far lower than comparable animals. What is it that the yogis and monks of old aim for? Is it not similar in many ways?
LOOOOOOL the son definitely plays counter strike and/or MW2
You could start the catzen five! Just get someone on c/DIY to work you up one of those pianos lol
Awesome, thanks! I think it will be greatly enriching for all to ponder the thoughts presented, so, to see you agreeing and helping them reach more of us seeking the truth is quite an encouraging sign!
What does your comment even mean, handshake?
Well in that case there’s a way higher chance of...checks notes.... 0.057% they would both be jewish instead of the previous figure of 0.029%
ACKSHULLY
That’s what happens when the might of the US military is brought to bear on some fucking camel hussars lol
It’s really not rhetorical, neither in the context I posted it, nor in the context it was written.
It is a Rorschach test in some ways. You have seen “rich people” in place of the blob that looks like a tumor. Do you harbor feelings of resentment or envy for “the rich”? Because most people I’ve talked to see the cancerous blob not as “the rich”, but the parasitic entity that feeds off the blind greed of their “rich” cattle.
If nothing else, just remember that everyone views things through their own lens of understanding.