I am new to Q (2 weeks) and a evangelical non-charismatic Christian--a layperson with above average Bible knowledge.
I have been pondering this Q stuff in relation to my understanding of the Bible and I've shared my thoughts over these threads:
Part 3: The Q story and Biblical Parallels
Part 2: Logical Conclusions via Christian world-view
Part 1: Initial discernment re: Q and Christian beliefs
I want to share what I think is the ultimate conclusion to all this Q stuff:
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Ultimate Conclusion
If you don't understand Q, you don't understand the world.
If you don't understand the Bible, you don't understand Q.
If you don't understand God, you don't understand the Bible.
If you don't understand the world, you don't understand God.
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Therefore, I submit to you my utter realization of what I think of Q:
I believe Q is led by the Holy Spirit! Think about it.
I'm not claiming Q is God. I'm saying Q is led by God, the Holy Spirit.
Please UP VOTE the thread and comment with your thoughts if you like this!
Checkout my other threads and upvote too!
I know there are Q supporters out there who do not hold the same Christian beliefs. This thread is not meant for you as a target audience, but you are also welcome to share.
Please remember the greatawakening.win rules as you're commenting. Notably, keeping discussion focused with Q subject area in mind and to share respectfully and civilly for the purpose of expanding our thinking.
Let's not put down others who hold different beliefs.
Enjoy!
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Edit 1/13/21: I recognize that the 'Ultimate Conclusion' that I presented, if used as an argument, is circular reasoning which of itself is a logical fallacy. I am not learned in philosophy, cognitive science, psychology, etc. However, my position is not to use that as a proof for an arument, but that--that in and of itself is the conclusion of all this Q stuff. It is not a logical proof. Neither do I think you can come to a saving faith in Jesus Christ strictly through logic alone.
This next part of could be way off... But I think if the 'ultimate conclusion' is true, then I think the reason why the letter 'Q' is used is because the 'ultimate conclusion' itself is circular reasoning. Therefore, for anyone to come to an understanding of that conclusion, it would require an external force to inject the person into that circular-reasoning conclusion. The injection is represented by the 'line' being injected into the 'circle' to make a 'Q'. Therefore, in order to understand this conclusion, an external force must inject you into this understanding (like God himself 'quickening' you). Therefore, this might be the true meaning--from my evangelical Christian perspective--of the Great Awakening.
Of course, I may be deluded and overthinking this which I probably am. But it does tickle your mind, doesn't it?
Amen! Agreed. Ultimate truth is found in the Word of God. If Q contradicts? Q is false, per my belief.
After thinking about all this logically (per my previous threads), my belief is that this trippy stuff is a work of God--something that our generation has not experienced before.
I have NOT studied prophecy... lol.
This Q-ride has been thrilling! I hope it's true. I feel like it is true, but feelings aren't the facts! Although, there definitely is so much circumstantial evidence that it is like God is smacking us in the face.
We'll know the facts when we see them. In the meantime, I'mma go on this wild ride!
LOL! I forgot about that two-kings-six passage. Thank you for that!
It is hilarious and I can totally imagine that that story is how this story is working out at the moment. Almost as if Q is like Elisha or something like that.
If the Q story ends up like that story--the fate of the bad guys wouldn't be execution as what many in this Q community is hoping for. In some sense, that result makes sense with what Pres Trump alluded to yesterday at his Alamo speech when he talks about walls, how the Biden Administration would want to tear down the wall. People were thinking southern border wall. I was thinking prison walls.
There could very well be a prisoner-run administration in a prison.
Also interesting in that passage verse 21, in some translations, has the King of Israel say "My father, shall I smite them? shall I smite them?" (some translations do not include 'My father').
I'm not studied in exegesis so I could be totally wrong and probably am wrong, but people think the King was addressing Elisha as 'my father' solely out of respect. I wonder if that is the only valid interpreted meaning.
Haha. Be careful of Biden. He might bite you!
All I know is God wins... Just hope it's in my lifetime
Keep your head up. He's winning all the time. Ultimate win comes at the end though.
I firmly believe that Trump is the David of our age.
I agree. I think he's a type of Christ, like David was, if you catch my drift... Or was that yours?? :D
I'm amazed by so many parallels with this Q story and stories in the Bible--I'm not sure exactly what views you hold that are similar to mine, but seems like we have some overlap.
Do you have a parallel thought of how Trump is like David? I created a thread (look at my created posts under my user name) on that and would love to have people give their input.
Consider, in the Bible, Jesus left his heavenly... Like Trump leaving his riches to be Pres.
Maybe your David parallel would be better! Lol.
I don't think he's a type of Christ, such as Melchizedek, but he is anointed and I get what you're saying. I think of Psalms when David was surrounded by his enemies but God kept him. Trump is also taking on a kind of Goliath in the deep state.
He's fighting for what's right in the midst of those who would end him.
Got it! Thanks for the analogy.
Okay, one little disagreement. I don't buy. "If you don't understand the world, you don't understand God"
Kind of reminds me of Satan talking to Eve. You will be like God knowing good and evil. We do not need to know evil to know God.
I am assuming you did not mean it that way. According to the bible everything was created 6 thousand years ago. Everything was created in 6 days. 2 Peter 3:8 says A day is like a thousand years to the Lord, and a thousand years is like a day. On the 7th day God rested. Are we about to enter the corresponding 1000 years of rest? Revelation 20 may talk about this. It says 20 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain. 2 And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, 3 and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he might not deceive the nations any longer ..
I would say Satan has been deceiving the nations and that may be coming to an end.
I have heard about it but never actually read it. I will take a look to see what it has to say. Thanks
Thanks for your input. I think in evangelicalism, you and I hold very similar beliefs. I can't comment on eschatology since I have not studied that.
I think our disagreement might be in miscommunication/misinterpretation of what I meant by 'understand the world'.
By the words 'understand the world', I meant the 'understanding of the world' that is brought to you through the Holy Spirit, based on the truth of the Word of God, and that truth is more fully understood as you understand the character of God more and more.
Check the four lines out. It's a full circle.
No problem. Most people assume when the bible talks about the world it is the same thing as talking about the earth. They are two different things. The earth was created by God. In genesis He said it was good. Our sin did not make it bad. The world was created by Man.(worldview-what we believe is real) The Bible speaks about the world coming to an end. It never speaks about the Earth coming to an end. My statement was from that point of view.
Oh yeah, totally. I get it. Nope--I didn't mean the earth.
I meant 'the world' as how the Bible typically refers to it.