I'm not from VOAT, but I followed him for a bit last year, so I'll give it a shot although it won't be bullet points. This will be more of a devil's advocate view.
Tim Pool is an independent journalist with a "left libertarian" (centre-left) viewpoint. He has two channels for straight news commentary using his contacts and published sources from opposing view points, and a third channel called Timcast IRL where he live hosts his own talk show, in a similar format to Joe Rogan and Steve Crowder and hosts guests with alternative non-mainstream viewpoints.
Unlike most on the left, he considers Trump to be a lot more reasonable than as painted by the MSM, especially in the lead up to the election, and recognised some of the appeal of DJT. Additionally, contrary to leftist voices, he condemned the violence of BLM and Antifa during the riots 2020 and the insanity of the deep swamp democrats (that is, 99% of them). He's left-leaning on most issues but is open to having a reasonable discussion.
During the height of his popularity his talk show included a man named Adam Crigler, nicknamed Soy Jesus due to his hair and his leftist viewpoints. Tim Pool redpilled Adam on Trump to such an extent that Adam became hardcore MAGA. The only issue with that, however, is that Tim Pool himself stubbornly remained on the fence, not wanting to endorse Trump because of YouTube censorship and his not wanting to shift his audience. Because of this and of Adam's growing dominance in the show, Adam and Tim parted ways and Adam spun off with his own show called Adamcast IRL.
It is this sitting on the fence that leads to most people being annoyed about him, because Tim Pool clearly sees and knows enough to take the red pill himself. Unfortunately, he is a slave to the status quo. He "underdosed" on the red pill and dosed himself with the blue pill, not only to maintain the balance of opposing viewpoints, but also because the way he gets most of his news now is third-hand, YT would kill his channel, and his audience would change permanently. Think of how you cannot go back with the red pill, and how lots of people are afraid of the red pill. The most egregious result of his fence-sitting was that when the steal for the election kicked in, he refused to acknowledge the scale of the fraud and felt that Trump lost legitimately.
Although he does have some suspicions about there being corruption in the media, he doesn't realise the full scale of the corruption within the established paradigm. I've likened Tim Pool to a gatekeeper who chooses to live at the gate, because his middle-ground viewpoints holds considerable sway and influence. The problem is, he can't see what's wrong with the structure of the wall, the conditions of the city or the lands beyond the gate. He hasn't ventured enough away from the gates and is too afraid to let go of the status quo. It is this weakness and not actual malice that leaves people extremely disappointed.
As for your dig, I reckon if you think you should then yeah, but that's up to you. In my opinion it's not good to bash someone because others told you to do so with out seeing the evidence yourself, because that's the same thing they did to Trump: it's a form of group-think. Nevertheless although such bashing is group-think, it is the fastest way of signalling "This person is not someone you should follow" and helps others gauge what's right and wrong without spending as much time and effort to investigate (Tim Pool has hours and hours of YT videos, are you going to sift through all of that?). The general sentiment here (which I share) is "Tim Pool's dead to me," because, despite his balanced reporting, he lacks courage and sits stubbornly on the fence: those two qualities do not hold on this board.
Well, since finishing my comment here, u/CuomosNippleRing posted this comment here which brings up other points that I haven't brought up here, and is the best summary of the devil's prosecutor, no-holds barred view which I also agree with:
The problem is, he can't see what's wrong with the structure of the wall, the conditions of the city or the lands beyond the gate. He hasn't ventured enough away from the gates and is too afraid to let go of the status quo. It is this weakness and not actual malice that leaves people extremely disappointed.
See, this is the one thing I find difficult to believe. Given some of the things he has said in the past, places he's read and how much news he must consume to do what he does, I can't see that there's any way that he doesn't grasp the full scale of things. I think he's fully aware, and just chooses to state otherwise because the most important thing to him is staying firmly off Youtube's ban radar. So much so that he'll spend 20 minutes disavowing and ridiculing any sensible thing he says, just to be sure no one thinks he might agree.
Maybe I'm wrong, but that's the way he seems to me, and I'm not sure how to evaluate that behavior. What I do know is that it's annoying as hell listening to him do it numerous times in a single video, and that's what ultimately got me to unsubscribe from all his channels in the end.
Now that you put it that way you are right and I completely agree, I just forgot how to articulate it properly. That he does see it, and chooses to ignore it for whatever reason he chose. Maybe he does see the rot but he's like "eh I can live with it" even though it's slowly destroying him, or maybe he's just trying to appease the established order just to be left alone.
The fact that he chose to not see or speak the truth is also what turned me off. It's that sort of behaviour that erodes your character, your society and your soul, so that by the time you realise what you've done you're in the cell of a gulag, like Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, with other well-meaning people, trying to figure out just what it is that you did to deserve this fate. He chose not to speak up about it when he should have, and therefore he paid the price. (As you can see I learned about this from Jordan Peterson.)
I'm glad to help. That's an interesting take though, that his stance is noble. I don't think his stance is noble but perhaps I'm misunderstanding what you mean.
That is true, but he also lost my respect after all that investment. He transformed into, or perhaps always was, a person who would not see the truth, and such a person can, through a long but definite chain of causality, lead to the total corruption of their society.
I wrote this in a separate comment here already but I'll repeat it here.
The fact that he chose to not see or speak the truth is what turned me off. It's that sort of behaviour that erodes your character, your society and your soul, so that by the time you realise what you've done you're in the cell of a gulag, like Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, with other well-meaning people, trying to figure out just what it is that you did to deserve this fate. He went over his life with a fine toothed comb and discovered that what led him there was his choosing not to speak up about it when he should have. (I learned about this from Clinical Psychologist Jordan Peterson, who speaks at length about Solzhenitsyn and the Gulag Archipelago, the social mechanisms for the rise of totalitarianism, and other topics of that caliber.)
For Tim Pool, he has all the means necessary and the opportunities to make the right choices, and yet like the RINOs of the GOP he chose not to make that choice. He places too much value on what he has already built and is not willing to risk it all for something much more important, the truth. I pity those people who will be led down a false path because of this choice, but they too might share that same flaw.
Tim is a huge faggot. Source, watched his show for a long time. Ditched him around election time. Previous posters above have written the novels of info explaining in depth why he’s a faggot. Fuck that guy.
I'm not from VOAT, but I followed him for a bit last year, so I'll give it a shot although it won't be bullet points. This will be more of a devil's advocate view.
Tim Pool is an independent journalist with a "left libertarian" (centre-left) viewpoint. He has two channels for straight news commentary using his contacts and published sources from opposing view points, and a third channel called Timcast IRL where he live hosts his own talk show, in a similar format to Joe Rogan and Steve Crowder and hosts guests with alternative non-mainstream viewpoints.
Unlike most on the left, he considers Trump to be a lot more reasonable than as painted by the MSM, especially in the lead up to the election, and recognised some of the appeal of DJT. Additionally, contrary to leftist voices, he condemned the violence of BLM and Antifa during the riots 2020 and the insanity of the deep swamp democrats (that is, 99% of them). He's left-leaning on most issues but is open to having a reasonable discussion.
During the height of his popularity his talk show included a man named Adam Crigler, nicknamed Soy Jesus due to his hair and his leftist viewpoints. Tim Pool redpilled Adam on Trump to such an extent that Adam became hardcore MAGA. The only issue with that, however, is that Tim Pool himself stubbornly remained on the fence, not wanting to endorse Trump because of YouTube censorship and his not wanting to shift his audience. Because of this and of Adam's growing dominance in the show, Adam and Tim parted ways and Adam spun off with his own show called Adamcast IRL.
It is this sitting on the fence that leads to most people being annoyed about him, because Tim Pool clearly sees and knows enough to take the red pill himself. Unfortunately, he is a slave to the status quo. He "underdosed" on the red pill and dosed himself with the blue pill, not only to maintain the balance of opposing viewpoints, but also because the way he gets most of his news now is third-hand, YT would kill his channel, and his audience would change permanently. Think of how you cannot go back with the red pill, and how lots of people are afraid of the red pill. The most egregious result of his fence-sitting was that when the steal for the election kicked in, he refused to acknowledge the scale of the fraud and felt that Trump lost legitimately.
Although he does have some suspicions about there being corruption in the media, he doesn't realise the full scale of the corruption within the established paradigm. I've likened Tim Pool to a gatekeeper who chooses to live at the gate, because his middle-ground viewpoints holds considerable sway and influence. The problem is, he can't see what's wrong with the structure of the wall, the conditions of the city or the lands beyond the gate. He hasn't ventured enough away from the gates and is too afraid to let go of the status quo. It is this weakness and not actual malice that leaves people extremely disappointed.
As for your dig, I reckon if you think you should then yeah, but that's up to you. In my opinion it's not good to bash someone because others told you to do so with out seeing the evidence yourself, because that's the same thing they did to Trump: it's a form of group-think. Nevertheless although such bashing is group-think, it is the fastest way of signalling "This person is not someone you should follow" and helps others gauge what's right and wrong without spending as much time and effort to investigate (Tim Pool has hours and hours of YT videos, are you going to sift through all of that?). The general sentiment here (which I share) is "Tim Pool's dead to me," because, despite his balanced reporting, he lacks courage and sits stubbornly on the fence: those two qualities do not hold on this board.
Well, since finishing my comment here, u/CuomosNippleRing posted this comment here which brings up other points that I haven't brought up here, and is the best summary of the devil's prosecutor, no-holds barred view which I also agree with:
https://greatawakening.win/p/11SKPxC4CA/x/c/4DvoI5WDjja
See, this is the one thing I find difficult to believe. Given some of the things he has said in the past, places he's read and how much news he must consume to do what he does, I can't see that there's any way that he doesn't grasp the full scale of things. I think he's fully aware, and just chooses to state otherwise because the most important thing to him is staying firmly off Youtube's ban radar. So much so that he'll spend 20 minutes disavowing and ridiculing any sensible thing he says, just to be sure no one thinks he might agree.
Maybe I'm wrong, but that's the way he seems to me, and I'm not sure how to evaluate that behavior. What I do know is that it's annoying as hell listening to him do it numerous times in a single video, and that's what ultimately got me to unsubscribe from all his channels in the end.
Now that you put it that way you are right and I completely agree, I just forgot how to articulate it properly. That he does see it, and chooses to ignore it for whatever reason he chose. Maybe he does see the rot but he's like "eh I can live with it" even though it's slowly destroying him, or maybe he's just trying to appease the established order just to be left alone.
The fact that he chose to not see or speak the truth is also what turned me off. It's that sort of behaviour that erodes your character, your society and your soul, so that by the time you realise what you've done you're in the cell of a gulag, like Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, with other well-meaning people, trying to figure out just what it is that you did to deserve this fate. He chose not to speak up about it when he should have, and therefore he paid the price. (As you can see I learned about this from Jordan Peterson.)
I'm glad to help. That's an interesting take though, that his stance is noble. I don't think his stance is noble but perhaps I'm misunderstanding what you mean.
That is true, but he also lost my respect after all that investment. He transformed into, or perhaps always was, a person who would not see the truth, and such a person can, through a long but definite chain of causality, lead to the total corruption of their society.
I wrote this in a separate comment here already but I'll repeat it here. The fact that he chose to not see or speak the truth is what turned me off. It's that sort of behaviour that erodes your character, your society and your soul, so that by the time you realise what you've done you're in the cell of a gulag, like Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, with other well-meaning people, trying to figure out just what it is that you did to deserve this fate. He went over his life with a fine toothed comb and discovered that what led him there was his choosing not to speak up about it when he should have. (I learned about this from Clinical Psychologist Jordan Peterson, who speaks at length about Solzhenitsyn and the Gulag Archipelago, the social mechanisms for the rise of totalitarianism, and other topics of that caliber.)
For Tim Pool, he has all the means necessary and the opportunities to make the right choices, and yet like the RINOs of the GOP he chose not to make that choice. He places too much value on what he has already built and is not willing to risk it all for something much more important, the truth. I pity those people who will be led down a false path because of this choice, but they too might share that same flaw.
Tim is a huge faggot. Source, watched his show for a long time. Ditched him around election time. Previous posters above have written the novels of info explaining in depth why he’s a faggot. Fuck that guy.
I think I owe it to you to point to this comment here, because my understanding of Tim Pool and why we don't like him here was incomplete:
https://greatawakening.win/p/11SKPxC4CA/x/c/4DvoI5alrud