It's interesting that demons feel more real than aliens, even though aliens are "more scientifically plausible". I would believe demons exist more readily than aliens which (as commonly depicted) just seem like a weird cartoon of demons.
With love and respect fren, God made both angels and demons, from each, one third fell. Those beings that we battle with are fallen angels and fallen demons.
"But pastor didn't say that." There's a lot of pastors who don't say, and excommunicate people who do say.
"Arent you just mincing words?"
Why don't we like it when the left does that again? Oh right.
I never said unfallen. The creation story doesn't mention the creation of either. It leaves a lot out. The war in heaven occurred before the fall on earth. Angels were made to manage the material existence. Demons were made to manage the force existence (darkness, gods will and unknowable mind). One maintains existence, the other manages what allows existence.
Both were made by God. Lucifer is a fallen angel of light. He fell by defying God, and attempting to be God. He convinced many to fall with him, including many demons. The number of each race that fell was about one third.
Many Christians do not believe that God created demons, but rather, that some beings in existence gained authority over themselves, and were able to recreate themselves without God's authority, and that they could create other things like weed, or whatever else people assign to "the devil." The devil created nothing, demons and angels are separate creations, lucifer appears as an angel of light because he can't change his form because he is not God, and angels did not become demons when the fell.
Mankind fell. Are we demons now? No, stupid question. Why would falling change your entire make up, when it is just a shell for a spirit?
I assure you, a corrupted spirit is worse than a deformed figure. All the scary monsters people make for you to fear, are soft fuzzy bunnies stick in a bear trap as far as God is concerned. We assign a fear value to anything but God. Its why people believe stupid things.
Freemasons want to turn reality into a concept so everything is reduced to a ONEness they can determine, its like tower of Babel all over again, Nimrod mad
The 200k are the ones that do stand up to scrutiny. Multiple credible witnesses, authentic photos and videos, radar records, physical evidence, etc. Do I really have to argue for looking at the evidence on a Q forum? The cabal may well want to use the phenomenon in their own interests but it's absolutely real.
The universe is so large the human mind can’t really grasp its size, and somehow we’re the one and only form of intelligent life that ever came about? Despite carbon being the 4th most common element in the universe, the universe being “fine tuned” to support carbon based biological life, and the fact that a large number of terrestrial exoplanets also orbit their host stars in what’s known as the “Goldilocks zone”, where liquid water is able to exist. Okay sure. And then on top of that, the world is actually only a few thousands of years old, dinosaurs never existed (despite such well documented evidence of them), and there’s a supposedly a single, omnipotent being who started the human race from one male and female pair and loves all of us unconditionally as his “children”, but will damn us to hell for (among other things) questioning his existence when he himself provides zero proof of it. And somehow, despite being an omnipotent sky dude with no human form he was able to biologically impregnate a woman who gave birth to a man who was somehow both his son and himself.
Yeah. Sounds like a super sound line of reasoning, everything checks out!
Why would any god design his creations to have rational thought and then not expect them to use it to reason on his very existence?
For starters, I have read the Bible. Your god sounds like a sociopath, eager to destroy anything and anyone that doesn’t bend to his will (so why bother giving humanity free will to begin with), while the supposed enemy does nothing of note throughout the entire story except for attempting to give humans knowledge he felt they shouldn’t be denied.
I am far from conceited and am very aware of just how little I really know of the universe and it’s vastness. Quite honestly I find it much more humble to admit you don’t know than to assume your religion (and only your religion) knocked it out of the park in one go and is the best road map we have to an understanding of our universe and it’s creator. I mean, it’s pretty arrogant to think that your religion nailed it while others which are older by thousands of years just missed the mark entirely. And likewise it’s quite arrogant to believe that you’re so incredibly right about this (despite there existing no corroborating evidence of any sort outside of your own mythos) that anyone who disagrees with you is going to burn in hell for all eternity. Not because they were bad people who did evil things, but because they doubted the existence of a fairytale or believed in a different fairytale than yours.
Now, as for your claims about the quality of the moral code spoke by Jesus... the quality of any moral code should be determined by the kind of life it gives to its followers, how well they treat one another and the value they see in charity and selflessness. Now personally when I think of Christianity, most of what comes to mind are violent events like the crusades, the inquisition, and witch hunts. As well as less violent but still morally despicable things such as denying single payer health insurance while professing to follow Christ (only the worthy deserve care), showing unabated cruelty and hatred toward LGBTQ+, forcing unmarried mothers to give their babies up for adoption, the whole “undeserving poor”/poor people are poor because they deserve to be argument, anti homeless architecture, and using the Bible to justify domestic violence and slavery (just a couple of examples). My point is, who Jesus was doesn’t matter in the context of the validity of his moral code.
But I’m very interested to know why god was able to do “any number of things” to get around inbreeding and yet seems either completely powerless or completely ambivalent toward human suffering. Young children get cancer and die, single moms are raped and murdered, innocent people serve years in inhuman prison conditions or are put to death... where is god in all of this? I’ve often heard the argument that he doesn’t intervene because of free will and the idea that our “struggles make us stronger”. But if you have the ability and means to help someone and alleviate their pain and you choose not to do it, you’re a psychopath regardless of how you justified your lack of action.
And lastly, I’m curious how “atheist propaganda” is all fake news? Considering the fact that atheism doesn’t look to replace the belief in god with the belief in something else, nor does it attempt to control any other aspect of a person’s life, I find the very idea of an existence of “atheist propaganda” to be dubious. Because in reality, discussions on evolution, the Big Bang, or the existence of dinosaurs isn’t propaganda, it’s just reality. And it’s reality because it’s true whether you accept it or not, the evidence exists and is compelling whether or not you personally factor it into your beliefs on that subject, and said evidence can be found in a multitude of places without the need to look very hard or make large, illogical jumps in your reasoning to justify it.
I’m not interested in salvation. I’m interested in living a good and kind life filled with love and hopefully leaving a better world for my children.
I don't understand what that says.
It's been in the works for way more than 100 years. Thousands.
It's interesting that demons feel more real than aliens, even though aliens are "more scientifically plausible". I would believe demons exist more readily than aliens which (as commonly depicted) just seem like a weird cartoon of demons.
They are the same.
With love and respect fren, God made both angels and demons, from each, one third fell. Those beings that we battle with are fallen angels and fallen demons. "But pastor didn't say that." There's a lot of pastors who don't say, and excommunicate people who do say. "Arent you just mincing words?" Why don't we like it when the left does that again? Oh right.
Can you explain what a fallen/unfallen demons are? Never really heard of fallen/unfallen demons and I'm curious.
Here we go again.
I never said unfallen. The creation story doesn't mention the creation of either. It leaves a lot out. The war in heaven occurred before the fall on earth. Angels were made to manage the material existence. Demons were made to manage the force existence (darkness, gods will and unknowable mind). One maintains existence, the other manages what allows existence. Both were made by God. Lucifer is a fallen angel of light. He fell by defying God, and attempting to be God. He convinced many to fall with him, including many demons. The number of each race that fell was about one third.
Many Christians do not believe that God created demons, but rather, that some beings in existence gained authority over themselves, and were able to recreate themselves without God's authority, and that they could create other things like weed, or whatever else people assign to "the devil." The devil created nothing, demons and angels are separate creations, lucifer appears as an angel of light because he can't change his form because he is not God, and angels did not become demons when the fell.
Mankind fell. Are we demons now? No, stupid question. Why would falling change your entire make up, when it is just a shell for a spirit?
I assure you, a corrupted spirit is worse than a deformed figure. All the scary monsters people make for you to fear, are soft fuzzy bunnies stick in a bear trap as far as God is concerned. We assign a fear value to anything but God. Its why people believe stupid things.
You mean I'm not alone?! Hurray! Bless you pede!
Freemasons want to turn reality into a concept so everything is reduced to a ONEness they can determine, its like tower of Babel all over again, Nimrod mad
Demons actually exist. 100% Now if aliens exist is its own question, as is whether they try to appear as demons and vice versa.
Both are real, we have 200k well documented cases of UFOs.
The 200k are the ones that do stand up to scrutiny. Multiple credible witnesses, authentic photos and videos, radar records, physical evidence, etc. Do I really have to argue for looking at the evidence on a Q forum? The cabal may well want to use the phenomenon in their own interests but it's absolutely real.
The universe is so large the human mind can’t really grasp its size, and somehow we’re the one and only form of intelligent life that ever came about? Despite carbon being the 4th most common element in the universe, the universe being “fine tuned” to support carbon based biological life, and the fact that a large number of terrestrial exoplanets also orbit their host stars in what’s known as the “Goldilocks zone”, where liquid water is able to exist. Okay sure. And then on top of that, the world is actually only a few thousands of years old, dinosaurs never existed (despite such well documented evidence of them), and there’s a supposedly a single, omnipotent being who started the human race from one male and female pair and loves all of us unconditionally as his “children”, but will damn us to hell for (among other things) questioning his existence when he himself provides zero proof of it. And somehow, despite being an omnipotent sky dude with no human form he was able to biologically impregnate a woman who gave birth to a man who was somehow both his son and himself.
Yeah. Sounds like a super sound line of reasoning, everything checks out!
Why would any god design his creations to have rational thought and then not expect them to use it to reason on his very existence?
For starters, I have read the Bible. Your god sounds like a sociopath, eager to destroy anything and anyone that doesn’t bend to his will (so why bother giving humanity free will to begin with), while the supposed enemy does nothing of note throughout the entire story except for attempting to give humans knowledge he felt they shouldn’t be denied.
I am far from conceited and am very aware of just how little I really know of the universe and it’s vastness. Quite honestly I find it much more humble to admit you don’t know than to assume your religion (and only your religion) knocked it out of the park in one go and is the best road map we have to an understanding of our universe and it’s creator. I mean, it’s pretty arrogant to think that your religion nailed it while others which are older by thousands of years just missed the mark entirely. And likewise it’s quite arrogant to believe that you’re so incredibly right about this (despite there existing no corroborating evidence of any sort outside of your own mythos) that anyone who disagrees with you is going to burn in hell for all eternity. Not because they were bad people who did evil things, but because they doubted the existence of a fairytale or believed in a different fairytale than yours.
Now, as for your claims about the quality of the moral code spoke by Jesus... the quality of any moral code should be determined by the kind of life it gives to its followers, how well they treat one another and the value they see in charity and selflessness. Now personally when I think of Christianity, most of what comes to mind are violent events like the crusades, the inquisition, and witch hunts. As well as less violent but still morally despicable things such as denying single payer health insurance while professing to follow Christ (only the worthy deserve care), showing unabated cruelty and hatred toward LGBTQ+, forcing unmarried mothers to give their babies up for adoption, the whole “undeserving poor”/poor people are poor because they deserve to be argument, anti homeless architecture, and using the Bible to justify domestic violence and slavery (just a couple of examples). My point is, who Jesus was doesn’t matter in the context of the validity of his moral code.
But I’m very interested to know why god was able to do “any number of things” to get around inbreeding and yet seems either completely powerless or completely ambivalent toward human suffering. Young children get cancer and die, single moms are raped and murdered, innocent people serve years in inhuman prison conditions or are put to death... where is god in all of this? I’ve often heard the argument that he doesn’t intervene because of free will and the idea that our “struggles make us stronger”. But if you have the ability and means to help someone and alleviate their pain and you choose not to do it, you’re a psychopath regardless of how you justified your lack of action.
And lastly, I’m curious how “atheist propaganda” is all fake news? Considering the fact that atheism doesn’t look to replace the belief in god with the belief in something else, nor does it attempt to control any other aspect of a person’s life, I find the very idea of an existence of “atheist propaganda” to be dubious. Because in reality, discussions on evolution, the Big Bang, or the existence of dinosaurs isn’t propaganda, it’s just reality. And it’s reality because it’s true whether you accept it or not, the evidence exists and is compelling whether or not you personally factor it into your beliefs on that subject, and said evidence can be found in a multitude of places without the need to look very hard or make large, illogical jumps in your reasoning to justify it.
I’m not interested in salvation. I’m interested in living a good and kind life filled with love and hopefully leaving a better world for my children.