I live in a heavily lefty area and I have parents who have conservative traits and values and worked hard but they are completely brainwashed by the media, NPR playing on a little radio in their kitchen all day, refuse to believe that the media all puts out the same narrative, claim any and every bit of evidence I show them is fake even after mainstream media admits it later, won't let me visit them because I won't wear a mask, actually voted for biden, They waited in line till 2 Am to get a covid shot and would probably turn me into the nazis if the news told them to report Trump supporters. I realized that this is like stockholm syndrome, Here is some info; WHAT IS STOCKHOLM SYNDROME?
Stockholm syndrome refers to a psychological condition that develops in a person who has been kidnapped or held captive involuntarily. People with Stockholm syndrome show positive feelings towards their kidnapper and may even establish a personal relationship with them. Experts on the subject suggest that it is an unconscious defense mechanism that the victim develops as a form of survival instinct. Stockholm syndrome also refers to situations of domestic abuse and other situations.
HOW TO TREAT STOCKHOLM SYNDROME.
1.Treatment. To treat Stockholm syndrome it is important that the person sees a specialist doctor or a psychologist, to develop a strategy that enables them to overcome this situation. Involving health professionals is essential in these cases.
(this one wont help us but the 6 others may).
2.Do not insist. People with Stockholm syndrome fail to see the complexity of the situation. Do not try to convince them of what may happen or try to force them to change their mind. Just talk to them and calmly explain your point of view. You need to avoid pushing them further away from you in order to help them.
(many of us, myself included learned this the hard way but it may not be too late)
3.Show them affection. Try to show your love and support. You must convey trust so that they do not see you as an enemy.
(this may be very difficult after harsh words have been exchanged but focus on the people in your family first.)
4.Try to keep in touch. Often in this situation, the person tends to isolate themselves, so it is important to try to maintain communication. But try not to make them feel overwhelmed.
(I've already started doing this, I check in a couple times a week and don't steer the conversation unless they try to talk politics, I just let them talk it out, no matter how stupid I think it sounds and if they seem to want me to respond i trun it back around, "what do you think that means?" "tell me more" "how does that make you feel?")
5.Keep calm. Often, this situation generates a feeling of helplessness. The important thing is to remain calm to avoid pushing the person away. Staying calm is the greatest help you can give. Be patient, they will listen to you if you convey trust and understanding.
(I have messed this one up, I have lost my absolute shit a couple times)
- Search for further information on the subject so you're sure what you're dealing with. Often, local health centers offer advice on the issue and may help to resolve this situation.
( I don't trust the mental health care industry at all because they are part of the establishment that is doing this and they are almost exclusively lefty psychopaths themselves plus they push poison drugs on people for profit and keep them coming back instead of curing them but we can use our research skills to study this and expand our understanding, we can't let them gatekeep us from believing that we can understand things like this, if you are here, you're probably smart enough and then some.)
7.Listen. If they feel they can trust you, they will talk about their situation. When this happens, you should control your feelings. Don't show you're angry or infuriated if the person with Stockholm syndrome defends or identifies with the abusers. Listen to them, and when you think it's necessary, give your opinion. However, be careful about the way you do it and how you say it, so as to avoid them becoming defensive.
(this one kind of re-hashes some of the other points, it goes back to staying in touch and not flipping your shit when they parrot nonsense.)
My conclusion for now is that we are going to have to be "the bigger guy" and after all the hard work we have done before we woke up and are doing now and all the grief and injustice, we have to still be the bigger guy and try to armchair-shrink our fellow Americans back to life. I won't let pill pushing, over-schooled, under-educated, so-called professionals gatekeep me from believing I can do this.
What do you think? source ( https://health.onehowto.com/article/how-to-treat-stockholm-syndrome-7546.html) This is just a rough outline, I didn't really research this yet but I'm going to start now. Anyone with mental healthcare experience's opinion would be valued.
I was a leftie, It is really possible for people to wake up. It just takes honesty.
What was the exact moment that turned the tide for you?
I think it was the dodgy dossier about Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction and the death of the government scientist Dr David Kelly. (This is all UK stuff)
I was already working on 911 in my head because that didn't make sense. By the time I got to the MH17 Malaysian airways jet shot down over Ukraine, I was thoroughly red pilled and no longer read any MSM.
Since 2005 or so I was reading about oil depletion and collapse of societies which eventually took me to zerohedge and the connection between resources and finance etc.
I knew about Hillary by the 2015 election so if I were in the US, I would have voted for The Donald because of "lock her up". I was on Facebook arguing with people and pointing out that Hillary's No-fly-zone over Syria would start a world war. Putin was saying very defensive things like "There's no point to a world without Russia in it".
The Q stuff is very recent to me, but I could see President Trump's artful moves anyway.
Everyone has a different story about waking up I guess
Yes 9/11 was the initial one for me too. But like you, it was something else that really did it. To me it was Barack Obama going back on all his promises. And the double tap to my brain as all my fellow liberals weren't as angry as I was about it.
That's because of their lack of intellectual honesty and consistency.
What makes you and me capable of the move from normie to redpilled is the willingness to honestly challenge our belief system.
Some people like my partner have much to lose by accepting that their ideas and morals are inconsistent because their identity is bound up with leftist ideas such as equality of outcome and belief in the goodness of big government.
Can you imagine the bravery needed to throw away those comfort blankets? I'm glad I'm not them!
Right from the beginning for me it was all about searching for the truth but in the beginning I was too arrogant, thinking I already knew the truth. After 8 years of George Bush Jr and 9/11, I was very arrogant and just KNEW that the Republicans were evil and obviously the Democrats were good. Very arrogant, but it didn't last long. The moment Barack Obama backed down on his promises it smacked me in the face immediately. But what staggered me most was everyone else (I was in college at the time) STILL supporting him, not caring at all about it.
I look back at a few arguments I had in my dorm. There was this kid there trying to redpill me. I was anti-gun, pro universal health care. Arguing my point so arrogantly and yet I was completely ignorant. I wonder where that kid is these days.
That kid did good, he planted some seeds in your mind. I recently called the father of a school friend out of the blue after many years to thank him for planting seeds in my mind. Now I plant my own where I can. There must be many who are quietly on the journey you have taken because the cognitive dissonance needed to believe the MSM is so strong. Those people waking up is the largest part of the plan I believe.
Edited to add:
The normie belief system is fragile because it is not consistent and cannot survive in the presence of other ideas. that's why MSM and social media bias and censorship is so very important to the globalists, just as is was to the communists.
I remember when I first came across a Zerohedge article and saw the main quote and the author listed as Tyler Durden. That made me laugh and then I kept returning?
That place saved my sanity, even though I never posted. I's technical red pill land on so many subjects. It's generally polite and has very knowledgable commenters.
There were more in depth sites for international political analysis: I went The Saker a lot.
The only way this changes is if the narrative on TeeVee changes
Biden resigning - massive shock
It has to come from the horses mouth
That is why Q might just turn out to be brilliant.
Don't waste too much time on family - can be a toxic situation - you just have to tolerate them - and humor them - they tend to put you into a box.
One way is to completely go over the top - buy a full blown gas mask and rock up in that - turn up with a gallon of bleach and sloshing it all over the place - watch what happens when the insane narrative doesn't suit their convenience.
You have the right approach IMO and a lot of patience and love!
These are all good points, whatever form of mental illness you are confronted with. You can distill it to "Don't argue. Don't belittle. Don't agree." The last might seem counter intuitive, but you might be agreeing to something other than what you think. Instead reflect and refocus, "what do you think? So you think X?
This is excellent. Saved! TLDR...Try not to flip your shit when conversing with normies?
Stockholm syndrome = knowing your master and loving them.
That is NOT what is happening. These poor sheep have NO IDEA who their masters are. They are bombarded with propaganda 24/7. And they will only raise their heads up to look when they feel discomfort. The commies are bleeding support because people are getting pissed.
Forget all that Stockholm psyco babble. Keep poking sheep. If they lift their head feed em' some tasty truth. Teach em' to find their own.
I disagree, I think on some semi or sub concious level they do know and then there's the woman I mentioned in this reply section who threw out her pillow, she told me once that she "goes along to get along" they are scared. They know who their "master" is and they are afraid to rock the boat.
The sheep I know can tell you all about the features on their new Samsung Galaxy Z Fold, but they have no idea who their mayor is or what the house and senate do. :p They are sheep. Not cowering cowards fully aware.
Thanks for your input, with all things evaluated, i doubt I'm any better of a person than anyone but I think we have to take an active role in winning hearts and minds, that's why this site even exists for us to still be able to talk. This is an asymmetrical war and we are eating bullets and not shooting back. people(mainly glowies but a few real ones) are talking about, "wE hAve tO orGaniZe aNd Do SomEtHinGGGGGGG" This is what we can do, we can't be what they are pushing us to be or we complete the circle of their narritive, we are in a tough spot. "If you want to be the leaf on the shoulders of the mighty stream" and go with the flow, that is your prerogative. Good luck!
I have seen Bezemovs interviews and lectures, very good for everyone here to see and consider. Yes, they feel, they don't think, that's why I am suggesting this approach if you think it will help. What you can gain is a better and more honest relationship with people where you don't have to walk on eggshells around eachother and can openly disagree without flipping the chessboard and throwing insults. I'm hoping this can have a "network effect"
Here's a link..
Bezmenov: Ideological subversion (10 mins)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmsDN0i4tm8&feature=youtu.be
Some people are rescuable after demoralization.
At least Hitler had Germany’s best interest in mind and intended to expand Germany and German values.
These mother fuckers seek to destroy our country and replace us with foreigners.
I’d take a Hitler over these communist fucks any day.
I deleted the first post because i messed up the formatting, thanks to the people who replied!
The Lindell documentary woke up my normie husband, who only believes what msm and his golf buddies tell him.
Thanks to Sweden for the contribution.
No thanks.
Great input, thanks. I in no way mean to criticize Mike Lindell or his video, I think it's great and if he actually runs for gov. I'll vote for him. If you know someone who you think would be receptive to the video I would share it with them but some won't even listen, for example, I have a friend who doesnt care about politics, he's black pilled, but his wife is a democrat voter and hates Trump for no articulable reason, a week or so ago, I can't remember exactly why, she threw out their MyPillows. That is the level of retardation the media is causing, she threw out her own property and now had to buy some chinese slave made pillows, Mike already got the money, she is not hurting him, no one would ever know she has MyPillows but her, yet she felt the need to do this. As to people knowing they are captive or not, I agree with that point but i still think this is very related and enough so that these tactics could help. I also think that a lot of people sub-consciously or semi-consciously know they are prisoners.
still going to try because I think I can be enough to enough people to make a small difference.