I believe half of what I see and none of what I hear. Sometimes I wonder if there are Musicians that want to go good for lack of a better word. Then smear campaigns start. Now Corey; is it possible what we are seeing is just "print" and not really what is happening. I just feel like I don't have enough information to feel either way, just because somebody looks the part doesn't mean they are a part.

I've thought this about several other Musicians like Prince and MJ, could it be they WERE actually on the good team and exposing the industry? Well we know Prince was and we were told he was a drug addict and ODed on opiates. Well that didn't really fit the mold with Price as far as I knew, he seemed pretty straight laced when it came to that. MJ... it wasn't that difficult to paint a picture of him being a pedo weirdo now was it?

All these musicians are dying of drug overdoses? Are they?

Marilyn Manson was born Brian Hugh Warner on January 5, 1969 in Canton, Ohio, to Barbara Jo (Wyer) and Hugh Angus Warner. He has German and English ancestry. During his childhood, one of his neighbors molested him several times until the young Brian broke down one day and told his mother what happened. As an only child, he would often get into mischievous activities such as adventure through his grandfather Jack Warner's sex toys, shoot his BB gun with his cousin Chad, and create sex magazines to sell to his classmates.

Funny, I was pretty sure it was his uncle that molested him but who knows.

As a general point, I think that in the past I considered all the satanic imagery in music to be just edgy show business stuff, but not any more. I think it is serious.

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001504/bio

He has a celebrity ghost story and it's about satanic worship.

As a musician I can only give you my 2 cents from that perspective because I don't know him personally.

I ascribe different energies to music. I put the Nietzsche-ian Apollonian/Dionysian dichotomy to it. Some music is made for beauty's sake and follows a rigid production process. This would be things like Progressive Rock, Classical, most forms of Ambient and Folk. As well as Gospel.

The Dionysian is very much like GG Allin, Iggy Pop, 2 Live Crew, Manson and a lot of rock music. It's meant to elicit an emotional reaction from record buyers or a crowd. That could mean anything from whipping them up into a mosh, scaring them or just getting them to dance. Where as Apollonian music is about the music itself. Dionysian is very much about the stage show that the crowd reaction. It doesn't mean the music is less than Apollonian. It's made for a different thing.

There are some people that really skirt the middle as well. Zappa, NIN and David Bowie are good examples. Their music is, from a musical perspective superb. The subject matter can be outrageous some times or vice versa. The music may not be well planned but the subject matter isn't made to get much of a response. Music inherits some of it's creators' DNA and personal experience.

A lot of musicians put things that interest them in their music. Many different acts have covered Satanism and evil differently. Black Sabbath for example covers it from the perspective of it being a condition inherent in our reality. We can chose to do good but evil is consistently lurking. In this sense it becomes a powerful adversary no one can avoid confrontation with.

Some musicians do revel in it. I remember that whole Black Metal stuff that went on in Scandinavia two decades ago. They do it to different degrees as well. I could argue that many popular entertainers are closet or unwitting Satanists. Certainly Q has pointed some out.

When it comes to Manson I'm kind of split 50/50 on him. I think he seems pretty level headed off stage. I think he got treated real shitty by media after Columbine. He hit the nail on the head when he pointed out that no one liked or cared enough to ask the shooters about how they were feeling and form some kind of un-high-school-superficial relationship. I also do like his music. His music the inheritor of one of Rock n Roll's oldest traditions which is shock along with Iggy, Allin, Alice, Kiss among others.

He's one of the few musicians that I watched a documentary on and still don't fully understand. He mentions in one of his documentaries that he enjoys pointing out hypocrisy. It seems his imagery is based on the fact that, we say we don't like sex, drugs and violence and yet it's on television regularly in the form of crime documentaries, alcohol commercials and cheesy romance movies.

We say there is freedom of religion and yet Satanists cannot (and should not in my opinion) practice openly without (in the 90's) being chastised. I take the Black Sabbath approach to things however. Evil is inherent in life. Practicing those dark, antiquated rituals openly is throwing away the due diligence and avoiding doing evil onto others.

I think it's also possible that Manson could also be pointing out that while many people claim to be morally up right we all may be participating in a form of Satanism without knowing it. Modern people were not there on the mount at the Pentecost or when God handed down the Commandments. Satan may have infiltrated our society long ago and we have no remembrance of it. Remember Satan is a perverter of wills. He will lie, deal and tell you sweet nothings to exercise dominion over your soul.

Rock and roll can be a catharsis though when it comes to these things. How do we know what evil is if we cannot see it? Some people may see it. Those that can see it must communicate it if we are to be conscious of it. To me that's Dionysian music.

It may be the oldest form of exorcism. It may have been the most important weapon in the arsenals of witchdoctors, shamans, druids, oracles and prophets. Christ and John the Baptist were able to exercise demons from the afflicted. When dabbling with these things it's easy to become them. A white rag will take on the dirt and sludge it cleans.

Back on the real world. When I hear about sexual assault allegation it could go wither way. Now I think of the Amber Heard thing. She's really destroyed what momentum the MeToo movement had in my opinion. She's very clearly trying to squeeze Johnny Depp for money and give some of his acting gigs to girlfriends in new woke Hollywood circle but I also know Hollywood is the home of the Weinstein perverts so... shrug

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOfMpd31q-8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvcBFsBt4hg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o8Qqfu1pwQ

I’ve been thinking about this all week. Why NOW are so many people coming out against him? It’s like a coordinated attack but... why?

Lyrics (edited down for repetition) to one of his top songs - sounds pretty tortured to me...

The drugs, they say, make us feel so hollow We love in vain, narcissistic and so shallow The cops and queers, to swim, you have to swallow Hate today, no love for tomorrow

We're all stars, now, in the dope show We're all stars, now, in the dope show

There's lots of pretty, pretty ones That want to get you high But all the pretty, pretty ones Will leave you low and blow your mind

They love you when you're on all the covers When you're not, then they love another They love you when you're on all the covers When you're not, then they love another

The drugs, they say, are made in California We love your face, we'd really like to sell you The cops and queers make good-looking models I hate today, who will I wake up with tomorrow?

They love you when you're on all the covers When you're not, then they love another They love you when you're on all the covers When you're not, then they love another

Maybe the powers that be know that the mob is baying for blood and to protect the younger more profitable direction of Hollywood ( Cardi B- new satanic video released yesterday) they throw an old has been washed up weirdo under the bus.

the Portrait album is amazing, Antichrist Superstar is decent. He went kinda gay Hollywood after that.

Nooooo.....someone told me a week ago he was based (insert eyeroll)