I think evil has been working overtime to infiltrate the highest levels of every large group. I've known God-fearing good people who were masons and were considered a benefit to society through their good works. I have never known any high up in the hierarchy and I am open to thinking even though there are many good innocent low level ones, possibly there are evil higher ups who maintain strict control over their contacts and look for like minded members to promote. You find multiple layers in any large group, like the scientologists and mormons. The bad ones move to the top while the good ones think good thoughts and get taken over - sound familiar with globalists and commies in gov't, schools, media, etc.? As for religion, there are many paths to God, and I trust that He leads people to the one that is right for them. He selects the right people for His purpose at the right time. Many thought Trump was flawed in character and morals, but God selected a man suited to the purpose of fighting a great evil. A man without money, fame, strength, ego and knowledge of the seamy side of business could not have succeeded!
Oh, you are opening the hornet's nest here. Strong opinions on all sides, but not always with all the facts.
Refer you to this first of 3 series DVDs
[ARF-DVD-001 - DVD - Secret Mysteries of America's Beginnings: Volume One -- The New Atlantis](ARF-DVD-001 - DVD - Secret Mysteries of America's Beginnings: Volume One -- The New Atlantis)
You should (re-?)learn the history of the largest "societies" throughout history, open or secret, who their members and/or leaders were (both significant persons, and in general), and how they influenced the course of history.
Secret societies, open societies, churches, armies and navies, governments, guilds, schools, families, nations, and so on. The secret societies tend to get special attention because they are (understandably) underrepresented in the common narratives of history, but they are no more or less special than any other sort of "society". Knowing that they have existed, and that their significant works were ultimately (naturally) claimed by or attributed to more "open" agents, can help us better understand history overall.
More interesting to me, is that secret societies have mostly been driven into the open during the last century or two, and this hasn't really stopped nefarious actors from acting nefariously.
In all groups of people, however organized or otherwise denominated, there are good actors and bad actors. Wherever power accumulates, power corrupts, and wherever corruption rises, evil follows. Any group of people who pool their resources and power will experience this phenomenon, and must either actively and constantly fight it or they will ultimately succumb to it.
See these "societies", in all forms, as vessels for the accumulation of power, the sowing of corruption, and the reaping of evil. See how different societies have sown corruption more or less than others, and have reaped evil more or less than others. They are not inherently evil, they just become that way if they allow it, and almost always they allow it. See how the forces of good and of evil have leveraged these societies as vessels of power, no more and no less.
See who were the agents of good, and the agents of evil, by their acts. Societies cannot act, collectives cannot act, only individual people can act.
As in most everything in life, Mason's have their good and bad. I was a Rainbow Girl for a few years, my mom; Eastern Stars. My dad was proud of the work he did with the Shriner's. I was young and don't know/remember much about the Mason's, but had fun dressing up and attending the Bible classes.
Oh, this is all made up. Just another debunked conspiracy theory like MK Ultra, Project Paperclip, Mockingbird, and Epstein’s Island. You spend too much time on looney sites like history.com and greatawakening.win
More importantly, the CIA had nothing to do with the JFK assassination or any foreign war or military coup in the last seventy years. Just made up bunk. They’re on the up and up. Most importantly, Donald J Trump will never beat Hillary Clinton and be President of the United States.
The FBI was just protecting all of us when they shot a mother holding her baby at Ruby Ridge and burned alive tens of little kids at Waco. We do not have anti-gravity technology that we got from a crashed UFO. Those super fast objects that defy the laws of physics captured by countless cameras are just sunspots.
God is a lie and does not love you.
You are not being watched through your webcam right now. No need to cover it with black tape when not in use.
I've been researching this myself lately, as a family member had brought up the issue. I'm still digging, but my overall impression from what I've read so far is that it's complicated and nuanced, as anything related to human beliefs, relationships, and actions will tend to be. It seems there is some degree of truth to the claims, but overall, revisionist historians who have been trying to "make America lose again" for the past century or more are putting a more negative spin on our heroes than is really justified. It's important to consider the source of any books, documentaries, etc, that are trash-talking the Founders. The ones I've looked at have raised red flags for me.
It's true that several of the Founders were Masons, but even Fall of the Cabal (in one of the sequels) discusses the fact that the Masons of that time were not involved in the things they were later. It was originally a tradesman's guild, and even today (with hundreds of years of deepening/worsening cabal influence), many members of "secret societies" at the lower levels have no idea what the upper levels are involved in--they are good people with good intentions. George Washington warned about the dangers of the illuminati (which was a new entity in his day--the CABAL wasn't new, but the illuminati was a new manifestation of it), how it was infiltrating the Masons and other groups, and he predicted that it would have devastating effects on the world. Among the tings I ran across in my research were pro-Masonic sites who were themselves pointing out that while several of the Founders were significantly involved in Masonry, they were not as involved as many people have claimed they were (and the writers of the site were sorry to have to say that).
The majority of the Founding Fathers were very solid Christians and fully believed in the divinity of Christ--a large number of them were pastors, seminary professors, etc, and they advocated strongly for Scripture to be taught throughout the new United States--including the "deists", who still considered the moral teachings of Christ to be the most superior foundation for society and government, even if they had doubts concerning Christ's divinity. There were 56 signers of the Declaration, but modern schools typically focus on only Jefferson, Franklin, and a couple others who were the LEAST religious of the founders, and then even their actions and communications are often taken out of context to make them appear much more "anti-God" than they actually were. There is also good evidence that Franklin did eventually accept Christ as his divine savior, and many people close to Washington attested to the genuineness of his Christian faith as well as his patriotism. One book you might consider (there are many good ones) is For You They Signed by Marilyn Boyer.
I think our modern Patriot movement probably gives us a little glimpse of the complexities of making blanket descriptions of the original Patriot movement. Out of the millions of us who are fighting against tyranny now, many, many of us claim Jesus as savior (though not all do). Among those who do, we come from a very wide range of doctrinal backgrounds and specific beliefs. We would agree about many things and disagree about many things. Some of us are probably involved in (or in the past have been part of) various groups or organizations that may be revealed in the future to have been something different than we thought they were when we were part of them. Or, those organizations could change dramatically at some future point into something completely different than they were when we were involved. That would not be our fault and would not invalidate our personal faith in Christ. As we are currently working through, every single day, how to unite OUR movement in the cause of liberty despite our individual differences (WWG1WGA!), the original Founders had to do the same. We are smeared and blatantly lied about every day by those who hate us and everything we stand for. WE are even being called "satanic" by some other Christians--some know they're lying and some are just uninformed, but it's an untrue statement in either case, and it's being made by those who should be on our side. As our movement is based on, and is a revival of, what our Founders started, it seems only logical (and is supported by much research and documentary evidence) that by and large they are being lied about and their statements taken out of context just as ours are today. Based on the study I have done, I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt wherever possible.
The only two who did not belong to a secret society: JFK and Trump. That's where I put my trust.
I think evil has been working overtime to infiltrate the highest levels of every large group. I've known God-fearing good people who were masons and were considered a benefit to society through their good works. I have never known any high up in the hierarchy and I am open to thinking even though there are many good innocent low level ones, possibly there are evil higher ups who maintain strict control over their contacts and look for like minded members to promote. You find multiple layers in any large group, like the scientologists and mormons. The bad ones move to the top while the good ones think good thoughts and get taken over - sound familiar with globalists and commies in gov't, schools, media, etc.? As for religion, there are many paths to God, and I trust that He leads people to the one that is right for them. He selects the right people for His purpose at the right time. Many thought Trump was flawed in character and morals, but God selected a man suited to the purpose of fighting a great evil. A man without money, fame, strength, ego and knowledge of the seamy side of business could not have succeeded!
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Oh, you are opening the hornet's nest here. Strong opinions on all sides, but not always with all the facts.
Refer you to this first of 3 series DVDs
[ARF-DVD-001 - DVD - Secret Mysteries of America's Beginnings: Volume One -- The New Atlantis](ARF-DVD-001 - DVD - Secret Mysteries of America's Beginnings: Volume One -- The New Atlantis)
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You should (re-?)learn the history of the largest "societies" throughout history, open or secret, who their members and/or leaders were (both significant persons, and in general), and how they influenced the course of history.
Secret societies, open societies, churches, armies and navies, governments, guilds, schools, families, nations, and so on. The secret societies tend to get special attention because they are (understandably) underrepresented in the common narratives of history, but they are no more or less special than any other sort of "society". Knowing that they have existed, and that their significant works were ultimately (naturally) claimed by or attributed to more "open" agents, can help us better understand history overall.
More interesting to me, is that secret societies have mostly been driven into the open during the last century or two, and this hasn't really stopped nefarious actors from acting nefariously.
In all groups of people, however organized or otherwise denominated, there are good actors and bad actors. Wherever power accumulates, power corrupts, and wherever corruption rises, evil follows. Any group of people who pool their resources and power will experience this phenomenon, and must either actively and constantly fight it or they will ultimately succumb to it.
See these "societies", in all forms, as vessels for the accumulation of power, the sowing of corruption, and the reaping of evil. See how different societies have sown corruption more or less than others, and have reaped evil more or less than others. They are not inherently evil, they just become that way if they allow it, and almost always they allow it. See how the forces of good and of evil have leveraged these societies as vessels of power, no more and no less.
See who were the agents of good, and the agents of evil, by their acts. Societies cannot act, collectives cannot act, only individual people can act.
As in most everything in life, Mason's have their good and bad. I was a Rainbow Girl for a few years, my mom; Eastern Stars. My dad was proud of the work he did with the Shriner's. I was young and don't know/remember much about the Mason's, but had fun dressing up and attending the Bible classes.
Oh, this is all made up. Just another debunked conspiracy theory like MK Ultra, Project Paperclip, Mockingbird, and Epstein’s Island. You spend too much time on looney sites like history.com and greatawakening.win
I've never seen a more ironic screen name.
More importantly, the CIA had nothing to do with the JFK assassination or any foreign war or military coup in the last seventy years. Just made up bunk. They’re on the up and up. Most importantly, Donald J Trump will never beat Hillary Clinton and be President of the United States.
Take it to the bank.
Oh. I see what you did. Got me lol
The FBI was just protecting all of us when they shot a mother holding her baby at Ruby Ridge and burned alive tens of little kids at Waco. We do not have anti-gravity technology that we got from a crashed UFO. Those super fast objects that defy the laws of physics captured by countless cameras are just sunspots.
God is a lie and does not love you.
You are not being watched through your webcam right now. No need to cover it with black tape when not in use.
Preach
I've been researching this myself lately, as a family member had brought up the issue. I'm still digging, but my overall impression from what I've read so far is that it's complicated and nuanced, as anything related to human beliefs, relationships, and actions will tend to be. It seems there is some degree of truth to the claims, but overall, revisionist historians who have been trying to "make America lose again" for the past century or more are putting a more negative spin on our heroes than is really justified. It's important to consider the source of any books, documentaries, etc, that are trash-talking the Founders. The ones I've looked at have raised red flags for me.
It's true that several of the Founders were Masons, but even Fall of the Cabal (in one of the sequels) discusses the fact that the Masons of that time were not involved in the things they were later. It was originally a tradesman's guild, and even today (with hundreds of years of deepening/worsening cabal influence), many members of "secret societies" at the lower levels have no idea what the upper levels are involved in--they are good people with good intentions. George Washington warned about the dangers of the illuminati (which was a new entity in his day--the CABAL wasn't new, but the illuminati was a new manifestation of it), how it was infiltrating the Masons and other groups, and he predicted that it would have devastating effects on the world. Among the tings I ran across in my research were pro-Masonic sites who were themselves pointing out that while several of the Founders were significantly involved in Masonry, they were not as involved as many people have claimed they were (and the writers of the site were sorry to have to say that).
The majority of the Founding Fathers were very solid Christians and fully believed in the divinity of Christ--a large number of them were pastors, seminary professors, etc, and they advocated strongly for Scripture to be taught throughout the new United States--including the "deists", who still considered the moral teachings of Christ to be the most superior foundation for society and government, even if they had doubts concerning Christ's divinity. There were 56 signers of the Declaration, but modern schools typically focus on only Jefferson, Franklin, and a couple others who were the LEAST religious of the founders, and then even their actions and communications are often taken out of context to make them appear much more "anti-God" than they actually were. There is also good evidence that Franklin did eventually accept Christ as his divine savior, and many people close to Washington attested to the genuineness of his Christian faith as well as his patriotism. One book you might consider (there are many good ones) is For You They Signed by Marilyn Boyer.
I think our modern Patriot movement probably gives us a little glimpse of the complexities of making blanket descriptions of the original Patriot movement. Out of the millions of us who are fighting against tyranny now, many, many of us claim Jesus as savior (though not all do). Among those who do, we come from a very wide range of doctrinal backgrounds and specific beliefs. We would agree about many things and disagree about many things. Some of us are probably involved in (or in the past have been part of) various groups or organizations that may be revealed in the future to have been something different than we thought they were when we were part of them. Or, those organizations could change dramatically at some future point into something completely different than they were when we were involved. That would not be our fault and would not invalidate our personal faith in Christ. As we are currently working through, every single day, how to unite OUR movement in the cause of liberty despite our individual differences (WWG1WGA!), the original Founders had to do the same. We are smeared and blatantly lied about every day by those who hate us and everything we stand for. WE are even being called "satanic" by some other Christians--some know they're lying and some are just uninformed, but it's an untrue statement in either case, and it's being made by those who should be on our side. As our movement is based on, and is a revival of, what our Founders started, it seems only logical (and is supported by much research and documentary evidence) that by and large they are being lied about and their statements taken out of context just as ours are today. Based on the study I have done, I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt wherever possible.