minimum wage jobs are not meant to pay for rent/car payment (why have one?)/food. they are meant for teenagers just getting started in the working world.
Exactly ... This problem doesn't get solved by raising minimum wage. I saw something in the news that said minimum wage should be $20 an hour if it had kept up with inflation but raising the minimum wage to $20 an hour would just put everyone in poverty.
The minimum wage hike is nothing more than lipstick on a pig.
People don't understand what words like 'quantitive easing'. Sure you got a 10% raise, but did u know they just printed so many trillions of dollars that the value of the dollar went down 25%. (these numbers are just for example)
This is the same point I make about health insurance... The fundamental issue is the cost of healthcare... THIS is what impacts health insurance availability more than anything.
Indeed. I'm not familiar with it but I'm pretty sure Walmart and Amazon have government grants and stuff that have allowed them to dominate the market. I used to think FEMA camps with Walmart but now I'm thinking all these huge big box stores are soon (within 10 years) become government distribution centers that ration out whatever Jau Xiden and Xamel Tao decide we need.
You're are a bit low, and out of date with your minimum wage. As of the first of the year, Seattle raised it's minimum wage to $16.69 for most workers.
WAKE UP PEOPLE! The problem is this- We are the richest country in the World. We are NOT in debt. The 1% tell us that to keep us down. The reality of it is that the 1% refuse to spread that money around and keep using it for they're bullshit. The moneys there they just won't let us have it!
Wrong.
Every single dollar printed has debt attached to it. It's the central bank scam. We pay off our debt to them with money that has even more debt attached. Its literally impossible to pay this debt off...
Which is why we should destroy the central bank, tell them to shove their "debt" up their ass and start a sound money system owned by the people, not private corporation central banks...
Central bank money printing and fractional reserve banking literally creates money out of thin air. Most banks have less than 3% of deposits on hand. All the while, the quantity of goods and services haven't risen appreciably. As a result, massive inflation is inevitable...if we stay under the current fraudulent monetary system.
I'm not sure how much it jumped to but around where I live? These Grocery stores hire part time workers - they only get 20-30 hours a week in - so them having to pay 30 or 40 dollars per person doesn't seem like justification for closing stores. I do believe this WILL affect our Mom and Pop stores more than large GROCERY STORE CHAINS - unless that is the goal - control the amount of food . . .
Kroger's a piece of shit company run by virtue-signaling SJW retards. They directly (through campaign contributions) and indirectly (through enacting SJW policies) support the corrupt left-wing governments doing this.
Now that it's come back to bite them in the ass, they wanna take their ball and go home. Left eating the left.
Whatever ... I'm not making the case "that little people are being greedy in their request for a living wage" at all. The economy is fucked six ways from Sunday and this minimum wage hike is being portrayed as a way to fix it. A "living wage" as you put it.
That all sounds good in leftistville but that's not reality.
The reality is major employers will close 60% (at least) of their locations and probably develop a business model with far less employees that allows them the same profit margin. Put simply, the rich will still continue to get richer by employing less people.
In the meantime, the cost of living will go through the fucking roof. What good is a $15 an hour minimum wage when 2/3 of your family looses their job and a loaf of bread is $6, $8 or $10?
It'll be okay though, you'll get you're gubmint rations and these new centralized locations of services (formally known as grocery stores, department stores and gas stations) will be fully equipped to your gubmint rations as payment.
You're only being an asshole by suggesting that little people are being greedy in their request for a living wage near where they have lived all their lives.
Do you think this is the place to dump problems and then refuse to discuss them rationally after?
From name calling to wanting rational discussion?
I thought my reason for "whatevering" your asshole comment was pretty fucking rational actually.
First you have to separate the whining from the actual need. What I mean by that is I do think that anyone should be able to go to work, work an honest day for their employer and be able to support themselves but the key word their is honest.
I was raised (started at 12) working in convenience stores my mother managed after school and roofing for my uncle over the summer before entering into an apprenticeship and becoming a master electrician.
Every time I go in a gas station or fast food restaurant I leave disgusted. It now takes three millennials to do the job that one 13 year old did in 1990. Where's the work ethic? Convenience stores used to run efficiently with one employee most of the time now has three employees and it still takes longer than it should to get service. The kids entering the work force now are more concerned about their Twatter status than they are about investing in themselves and it shows.
Back when minimum wage was like $5 and hour I moved out at 17 and got my own place (with a room mate) making minimum wage. When I met my wife I was making barely more than minimum wage and that's when I got into an apprenticeship and decided to invest in myself.
For five years I went to school at night to become an expert in my craft and make a way for me and my family to enjoy "a living wage". I didn't get there by mistake. It took hard work, dedication and commitment. The same opportunities are still available today for anyone that wants them. More so actually as we can't seem to find people willing to work nowadays and my pay, over the last 5 years has gone up $10 an hour because of that.
The bottom line is it is not my job, your job, nor the governments to hand somebody a substantial wage. That is earned and it's earned by hard work and investing in one's self.
Why do we have to "try and figure out" how there could be a "flexible" minimum wage depending on business size, nature and ownership?
Where do I even begin on all that? There's a billion possible variations there. You're asking us to micromanage an economy. Why does a business and it's employees need an outside third party, with no skin in the game, to decide how they associate with each other, if at all?
How did I lash out? I stayed on topic. I literally just entered the conversation if you haven't noticed. All you've done is attack my character, so far. I'm not impressed.
minimum wage jobs are not meant to pay for rent/car payment (why have one?)/food. they are meant for teenagers just getting started in the working world.
Or for retirees just trying to stay active. I think it should be articulated “minimum wage for minimum skills.”
Exactly.
Exactly ... This problem doesn't get solved by raising minimum wage. I saw something in the news that said minimum wage should be $20 an hour if it had kept up with inflation but raising the minimum wage to $20 an hour would just put everyone in poverty.
The minimum wage hike is nothing more than lipstick on a pig.
People don't understand what words like 'quantitive easing'. Sure you got a 10% raise, but did u know they just printed so many trillions of dollars that the value of the dollar went down 25%. (these numbers are just for example)
This is the same point I make about health insurance... The fundamental issue is the cost of healthcare... THIS is what impacts health insurance availability more than anything.
Plz
Indeed. I'm not familiar with it but I'm pretty sure Walmart and Amazon have government grants and stuff that have allowed them to dominate the market. I used to think FEMA camps with Walmart but now I'm thinking all these huge big box stores are soon (within 10 years) become government distribution centers that ration out whatever Jau Xiden and Xamel Tao decide we need.
You're are a bit low, and out of date with your minimum wage. As of the first of the year, Seattle raised it's minimum wage to $16.69 for most workers.
http://www.workingwa.org/seattle-minimum-wage
What they pushed through now was an additional $4.00 an our raise to grocery store workers as "Hero Pay".
https://www.grocerydive.com/news/kroger-to-close-2-seattle-stores-in-response-to-hazard-pay-law/595199/
Combine that with the city's refusal to arrest shoplifters/thieves for anything under a thousand bucks, and I'd be leaving too.
WAKE UP PEOPLE! The problem is this- We are the richest country in the World. We are NOT in debt. The 1% tell us that to keep us down. The reality of it is that the 1% refuse to spread that money around and keep using it for they're bullshit. The moneys there they just won't let us have it!
Wrong. Every single dollar printed has debt attached to it. It's the central bank scam. We pay off our debt to them with money that has even more debt attached. Its literally impossible to pay this debt off... Which is why we should destroy the central bank, tell them to shove their "debt" up their ass and start a sound money system owned by the people, not private corporation central banks...
Central bank money printing and fractional reserve banking literally creates money out of thin air. Most banks have less than 3% of deposits on hand. All the while, the quantity of goods and services haven't risen appreciably. As a result, massive inflation is inevitable...if we stay under the current fraudulent monetary system.
I'm not sure how much it jumped to but around where I live? These Grocery stores hire part time workers - they only get 20-30 hours a week in - so them having to pay 30 or 40 dollars per person doesn't seem like justification for closing stores. I do believe this WILL affect our Mom and Pop stores more than large GROCERY STORE CHAINS - unless that is the goal - control the amount of food . . .
Kroger's a piece of shit company run by virtue-signaling SJW retards. They directly (through campaign contributions) and indirectly (through enacting SJW policies) support the corrupt left-wing governments doing this.
Now that it's come back to bite them in the ass, they wanna take their ball and go home. Left eating the left.
Who puts their Business in a commie country?
Pretty sure it was there before the commies gained strength.
Come on man vote in more DEMOCRATS like Horse FACE AOC WITH SOME MORE OF THEIR ECONOMIC FAILERS.
Also, every dollaR extra you earn the government the 35 cents of. Back door to grabbing more money from business.
Zero sympathy. They asked for it.
$11.25 minimum wage in a major city does not seem unreasonable. $15 at the Federal level would be devastating.
Whatever ... I'm not making the case "that little people are being greedy in their request for a living wage" at all. The economy is fucked six ways from Sunday and this minimum wage hike is being portrayed as a way to fix it. A "living wage" as you put it.
That all sounds good in leftistville but that's not reality.
The reality is major employers will close 60% (at least) of their locations and probably develop a business model with far less employees that allows them the same profit margin. Put simply, the rich will still continue to get richer by employing less people.
In the meantime, the cost of living will go through the fucking roof. What good is a $15 an hour minimum wage when 2/3 of your family looses their job and a loaf of bread is $6, $8 or $10?
It'll be okay though, you'll get you're gubmint rations and these new centralized locations of services (formally known as grocery stores, department stores and gas stations) will be fully equipped to your gubmint rations as payment.
From name calling to wanting rational discussion?
I thought my reason for "whatevering" your asshole comment was pretty fucking rational actually.
First you have to separate the whining from the actual need. What I mean by that is I do think that anyone should be able to go to work, work an honest day for their employer and be able to support themselves but the key word their is honest.
I was raised (started at 12) working in convenience stores my mother managed after school and roofing for my uncle over the summer before entering into an apprenticeship and becoming a master electrician.
Every time I go in a gas station or fast food restaurant I leave disgusted. It now takes three millennials to do the job that one 13 year old did in 1990. Where's the work ethic? Convenience stores used to run efficiently with one employee most of the time now has three employees and it still takes longer than it should to get service. The kids entering the work force now are more concerned about their Twatter status than they are about investing in themselves and it shows.
Back when minimum wage was like $5 and hour I moved out at 17 and got my own place (with a room mate) making minimum wage. When I met my wife I was making barely more than minimum wage and that's when I got into an apprenticeship and decided to invest in myself.
For five years I went to school at night to become an expert in my craft and make a way for me and my family to enjoy "a living wage". I didn't get there by mistake. It took hard work, dedication and commitment. The same opportunities are still available today for anyone that wants them. More so actually as we can't seem to find people willing to work nowadays and my pay, over the last 5 years has gone up $10 an hour because of that.
The bottom line is it is not my job, your job, nor the governments to hand somebody a substantial wage. That is earned and it's earned by hard work and investing in one's self.
Why do we have to "try and figure out" how there could be a "flexible" minimum wage depending on business size, nature and ownership?
Where do I even begin on all that? There's a billion possible variations there. You're asking us to micromanage an economy. Why does a business and it's employees need an outside third party, with no skin in the game, to decide how they associate with each other, if at all?
How did I lash out? I stayed on topic. I literally just entered the conversation if you haven't noticed. All you've done is attack my character, so far. I'm not impressed.