I guess I am just a redneck, but why can't they just cable up to that beast and pull from either bank until its straightened up, and then just tug boat it the rest of the way through the canal (if the engine is still messed up)?
@txbred, the underwater bulbous bow is jammed twenty feet into the bank, and the rudder planes are jammed in on the other side. The captain knew exactly what to do (aside from outright sinking it) to make it the biggest PITA possible to un-wedge. The mass of the ship and cargo is so huge that it's a herculean effort to move it without friction being a factor.
basically come from an all irish family (mother has american indian/irish blood), so anything outside of total darkness burns me lobster red, one year I did work re-doing docks everyday, and I managed to get "tan" but that didn't last long lol count yourself lucky, i'd much prefer being a tanneck
Just like my hubbie! Can’t be out in the sun for 5 min without sunscreen or he’ll be beet red and peeling like crazy, lol. So pale our friends used to call him the older version of Powder (from the movie years ago lol). I’m actually black (half filipino technically) from the deep south; he’s Texas bred (irish descent as well) who migrated here couple decades ago... but if you can imagine - our relationship itself has redpilled lots of blacks. Evidently he ‘looks like a racist’ LOL. And here we are - almost 17 years later still doing our thing, lol. Oh damn! Thinking about it - y’all might be distant relatives! Ya neva know! Lol
makes sense, I've heard a few different stories on the exact predicament they are in. Where I've landed is the nose is stuck in the earth on the bank and the back-end is somewhat dug in, but still free-floating, as well as the middle of the ship. doesnt seem like there would be much stress put on it if they pulled from the ass-end towards the nose-bank, while simultaneously pulling directly backwards as well as pulling the nose, so 3 point tug (2 land position tugs, and one boat pulling it straight back). that and these ships have got to have a hull a few inches thick (I would think at least) and thats a sand bank so its not going to have snag points or hard rocks, idk, again I admit to being well outside my wheelhouse on understanding why this is so hard to fix, ive worked with heavy equipment, but nothing near that heavy.
It's not my bailiwick but I have seen these ships. They're really big, like 1213 feet, almost a quarter mile long. I would reckon that changes the physics involved. This ain't just your average Bass boat stuck in a shallow canal. Last time I just told Uncle Tommy to get out and push, old boy weighed nearly 450.
lol, I'm not THAT clueless, I assumed most people would understand I'm not referring to a winch attached to a vehicle. I'm referring to something (for lack of finding an image with an appropriate sized winch, or even multiple on either bank, that could be transported to the site and anchored to the ground in whatever way) like this https://www.siebenhaar-antriebstechnik.com/images/2_Winch_Hafen.jpg on either bank, and then get a boat like a dredger, that has these winches on them to pull from behind https://www.siebenhaar-antriebstechnik.com/en/news/siebenhaar-delivers-winches-for-the-currently-largest-cutter-suction-dredger-of-the-world. seems like an appropriate step to take if this one ship is halting world shipping trade. also, gotta remember its mostly free-floating so the winches will not be needed to pull very hard as if it were completely land lodged, if the ass-end is mostly free floating it would seem to make sense that once that is pulled back towards the center of the canal (along with pulling from the other 2 locations I described) that the nose should eventually pull free, I know those ships have those really long protruding noses but I mean come on, it couldnt have buried itself very far-especially since those ships are slow as fuck, heavy as fuck, but slow. I would think the top speed allowed in the canal is pretty low as well
No intent at malice just poking fun at the ingenuity of good ole boys from the country, I'm one of them. I was thinking more along the lines of offloading conainers at the bow until it drafts less. A ship with cranes to offload cargo or something. Then I read that the ship can hold 20000 containers, even if you could offload one every 5 minutes it would take an eternity.
It would be a weight and height issue for the crane. Container ships are usually unloaded at a port with installed overhead cranes that can take the weight and have mechanical advantage with the high fretboard. Tge sides of that vessel are probably 30 to 50 above the waterline. A normal or floating crane may not handle it
It's kind of like a wet shoe box stuck in the mud. If you pull too much it breaks in half. The hull isn't designed for those kind of stresses. They've got to be real gentle, or the hull cracks.
I guess I am just a redneck, but why can't they just cable up to that beast and pull from either bank until its straightened up, and then just tug boat it the rest of the way through the canal (if the engine is still messed up)?
Maybe they got it stuck on purpose?
looking more and more like it
@txbred, the underwater bulbous bow is jammed twenty feet into the bank, and the rudder planes are jammed in on the other side. The captain knew exactly what to do (aside from outright sinking it) to make it the biggest PITA possible to un-wedge. The mass of the ship and cargo is so huge that it's a herculean effort to move it without friction being a factor.
? Guess I am too as that’s the 1st thing I thought when I saw it!
Wait - I don’t get red working in the sun ? Hell, guess I’m a tanneck! ?
basically come from an all irish family (mother has american indian/irish blood), so anything outside of total darkness burns me lobster red, one year I did work re-doing docks everyday, and I managed to get "tan" but that didn't last long lol count yourself lucky, i'd much prefer being a tanneck
Just like my hubbie! Can’t be out in the sun for 5 min without sunscreen or he’ll be beet red and peeling like crazy, lol. So pale our friends used to call him the older version of Powder (from the movie years ago lol). I’m actually black (half filipino technically) from the deep south; he’s Texas bred (irish descent as well) who migrated here couple decades ago... but if you can imagine - our relationship itself has redpilled lots of blacks. Evidently he ‘looks like a racist’ LOL. And here we are - almost 17 years later still doing our thing, lol. Oh damn! Thinking about it - y’all might be distant relatives! Ya neva know! Lol
Something to do with stress on the hull. That's why there's multiple tugs on eaxh side.
makes sense, I've heard a few different stories on the exact predicament they are in. Where I've landed is the nose is stuck in the earth on the bank and the back-end is somewhat dug in, but still free-floating, as well as the middle of the ship. doesnt seem like there would be much stress put on it if they pulled from the ass-end towards the nose-bank, while simultaneously pulling directly backwards as well as pulling the nose, so 3 point tug (2 land position tugs, and one boat pulling it straight back). that and these ships have got to have a hull a few inches thick (I would think at least) and thats a sand bank so its not going to have snag points or hard rocks, idk, again I admit to being well outside my wheelhouse on understanding why this is so hard to fix, ive worked with heavy equipment, but nothing near that heavy.
It's not my bailiwick but I have seen these ships. They're really big, like 1213 feet, almost a quarter mile long. I would reckon that changes the physics involved. This ain't just your average Bass boat stuck in a shallow canal. Last time I just told Uncle Tommy to get out and push, old boy weighed nearly 450.
lol, I'm not THAT clueless, I assumed most people would understand I'm not referring to a winch attached to a vehicle. I'm referring to something (for lack of finding an image with an appropriate sized winch, or even multiple on either bank, that could be transported to the site and anchored to the ground in whatever way) like this https://www.siebenhaar-antriebstechnik.com/images/2_Winch_Hafen.jpg on either bank, and then get a boat like a dredger, that has these winches on them to pull from behind https://www.siebenhaar-antriebstechnik.com/en/news/siebenhaar-delivers-winches-for-the-currently-largest-cutter-suction-dredger-of-the-world. seems like an appropriate step to take if this one ship is halting world shipping trade. also, gotta remember its mostly free-floating so the winches will not be needed to pull very hard as if it were completely land lodged, if the ass-end is mostly free floating it would seem to make sense that once that is pulled back towards the center of the canal (along with pulling from the other 2 locations I described) that the nose should eventually pull free, I know those ships have those really long protruding noses but I mean come on, it couldnt have buried itself very far-especially since those ships are slow as fuck, heavy as fuck, but slow. I would think the top speed allowed in the canal is pretty low as well
No intent at malice just poking fun at the ingenuity of good ole boys from the country, I'm one of them. I was thinking more along the lines of offloading conainers at the bow until it drafts less. A ship with cranes to offload cargo or something. Then I read that the ship can hold 20000 containers, even if you could offload one every 5 minutes it would take an eternity.
It would be a weight and height issue for the crane. Container ships are usually unloaded at a port with installed overhead cranes that can take the weight and have mechanical advantage with the high fretboard. Tge sides of that vessel are probably 30 to 50 above the waterline. A normal or floating crane may not handle it
CH 53 helicopters.
It's kind of like a wet shoe box stuck in the mud. If you pull too much it breaks in half. The hull isn't designed for those kind of stresses. They've got to be real gentle, or the hull cracks.
no sandbank a hundred metres north and south. just one right there.
If they wanted it un-stuck, they would have brought Americans in to get it out of there.