Haha I understand it is weakened, but the building wasn’t designed to only hold the weight of the floor above it. In fact, it was engineered to be able to withstand impact from an airplane when it was built.
Look at every other building that suffers a fire vs a controlled demolition. Some of them, half the building falls off and the other part is standing when the fire is extremely bad. Their conclusion was that because the jet fuel went down the elevator shaft that it was able to completely melt all the steel reinforcements.
Why are you on here to “debunk” a very proven conspiracy?
the "designed to withstand a plane impact" claims are constantly fucked up so a little clarity:
in 1945 a B-52, lost in fog, low on fuel, looking for the airport, smashed into the side of the empire state building.
got stuck in the building it was actually pretty cool.
when the trade center towers were built they were designed to withstand a similar impact... nothing intentional... an accident...
from a much smaller plane, flying at much slower speeds, low on fuel (not just taking off from the east coast, headed west, with both wings fully loaded.
when you intentionally smash a fully loaded, fully fueled plane into the side of the building at full speed, it's going to do WAY more damage than was designed for.
the crucial damage was structural, the building is designed to carry all that weight evenly distributed... like the guy laying down on the bed of nails doesn't get stuck because the force is evenly distributed.
it's why you are supposed to crawl on all 4's on thin ice.
because when you remove a bunch of the supporting structure... all the remaining supports are now being expected to carry far more stress than they were designed to carry.
not only that, but different stresses.
the design calls for vertical loading, not torsion and pull and shear.... all these supports were now being asked to do far more than they were designed to in ways they weren't designed to... but thats why we try to over-engineer things. for a just in case.
sadly when you add sustained fire to this equation you now have the already over-stressed structural components loosing the lions share of their strength... and under tremendous stress.
eventually the damaged area of the building can no longer support the insane weight of the building above.
again... we are talking millions of tons here... thats a LOT of force.
ever see a steel cable snap? that will slice a person in half, and thats a few thousand pounds... now do millions of tons.
when the building starts to go i't's fucking over. as soon as it starts moving, there isn't a building on earth designed to not rip itself apart in that scenario.
and here's how you know everything i just said is correct...
the first building to fall, got hit second, but it got hit much lower on the tower and the damage was worse because it came in at a goofy angle and compromised more floors worth of supports.
that second building's damaged section is now being asked to hold much more weight than the building that got hit first.
more severely damaged area being asked to hold a lot more weight = more force on the compromised structure = more point loading stresses on the remaining system = it failed much sooner than it's counterpart.
also nobody ever said the steel melted, not one serious person ever said that because it didn't happen.
why are you here to defend a debunked mcguffin/red herring/forum slide/well poisoning?
people like you are the reason i can't ask why the government lied about shooting down the 4th plane... because everyone thinks i'm stupid enough to believe a massive crew of people were able to sneak into some of the worlds largest buildings and do months and months worth of demo prep work overnight without detection.
You are talking rubbish first of all it was a B-25 that hit the empire state building not a B-52 which is quite a big difference in size 19,000lbs vs 185,000lbs empty weight.
Also the Trade towers were designed to withstand the impact of a 707 traveling at 600mph and still be standing they also said it could probably withstand multiple plane strikes and still be standing, so your whole argument is garbage.
Also they were doing construction work on the building leading up to the attack and were laying network cables iirc, there was a guy who complained about all the dust coming through the vents and when he asked he was told they were doing construction but when he went up the the floor above there was no one there as they were inside the central column but he could hear them drilling and doing something.
He also went in to the building in the days before they fell and someone had turned off all the cameras and security and people were wandering around the tower, this annoyed him as iirc he was in charge of IT for banking servers and workmen were just wandering around without a care in the world which was really odd as you generally don't allow people in and around the servers unsupervised.
So they had plenty of time to set charges if they wanted too.
Scott Forbes was employed by Fiduciary Trust Company International, located on the 97th floor of the South Tower at the WTC complex. He says there were some very strange events in the weeks leading up to the attacks, including; a complete power down of the building for over 36 hours, and mysterious ‘engineers’ doing work in the building using spools of wire just days before the 9/11 attacks.
Haha I understand it is weakened, but the building wasn’t designed to only hold the weight of the floor above it. In fact, it was engineered to be able to withstand impact from an airplane when it was built.
Look at every other building that suffers a fire vs a controlled demolition. Some of them, half the building falls off and the other part is standing when the fire is extremely bad. Their conclusion was that because the jet fuel went down the elevator shaft that it was able to completely melt all the steel reinforcements.
Why are you on here to “debunk” a very proven conspiracy?
the "designed to withstand a plane impact" claims are constantly fucked up so a little clarity:
in 1945 a B-52, lost in fog, low on fuel, looking for the airport, smashed into the side of the empire state building.
got stuck in the building it was actually pretty cool.
when the trade center towers were built they were designed to withstand a similar impact... nothing intentional... an accident...
from a much smaller plane, flying at much slower speeds, low on fuel (not just taking off from the east coast, headed west, with both wings fully loaded.
when you intentionally smash a fully loaded, fully fueled plane into the side of the building at full speed, it's going to do WAY more damage than was designed for.
the crucial damage was structural, the building is designed to carry all that weight evenly distributed... like the guy laying down on the bed of nails doesn't get stuck because the force is evenly distributed.
it's why you are supposed to crawl on all 4's on thin ice.
because when you remove a bunch of the supporting structure... all the remaining supports are now being expected to carry far more stress than they were designed to carry.
not only that, but different stresses.
the design calls for vertical loading, not torsion and pull and shear.... all these supports were now being asked to do far more than they were designed to in ways they weren't designed to... but thats why we try to over-engineer things. for a just in case.
sadly when you add sustained fire to this equation you now have the already over-stressed structural components loosing the lions share of their strength... and under tremendous stress.
eventually the damaged area of the building can no longer support the insane weight of the building above.
again... we are talking millions of tons here... thats a LOT of force.
ever see a steel cable snap? that will slice a person in half, and thats a few thousand pounds... now do millions of tons.
when the building starts to go i't's fucking over. as soon as it starts moving, there isn't a building on earth designed to not rip itself apart in that scenario.
and here's how you know everything i just said is correct...
the first building to fall, got hit second, but it got hit much lower on the tower and the damage was worse because it came in at a goofy angle and compromised more floors worth of supports.
that second building's damaged section is now being asked to hold much more weight than the building that got hit first.
more severely damaged area being asked to hold a lot more weight = more force on the compromised structure = more point loading stresses on the remaining system = it failed much sooner than it's counterpart.
also nobody ever said the steel melted, not one serious person ever said that because it didn't happen.
why are you here to defend a debunked mcguffin/red herring/forum slide/well poisoning?
people like you are the reason i can't ask why the government lied about shooting down the 4th plane... because everyone thinks i'm stupid enough to believe a massive crew of people were able to sneak into some of the worlds largest buildings and do months and months worth of demo prep work overnight without detection.
you are why we don't get taken seriously.
stop that.
You are talking rubbish first of all it was a B-25 that hit the empire state building not a B-52 which is quite a big difference in size 19,000lbs vs 185,000lbs empty weight.
Also the Trade towers were designed to withstand the impact of a 707 traveling at 600mph and still be standing they also said it could probably withstand multiple plane strikes and still be standing, so your whole argument is garbage.
Also they were doing construction work on the building leading up to the attack and were laying network cables iirc, there was a guy who complained about all the dust coming through the vents and when he asked he was told they were doing construction but when he went up the the floor above there was no one there as they were inside the central column but he could hear them drilling and doing something. He also went in to the building in the days before they fell and someone had turned off all the cameras and security and people were wandering around the tower, this annoyed him as iirc he was in charge of IT for banking servers and workmen were just wandering around without a care in the world which was really odd as you generally don't allow people in and around the servers unsupervised. So they had plenty of time to set charges if they wanted too.
Found him it was Scott Forbes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8edYhemleXc&t=10s