What I noticed was that there was infiltration of the larger groups. Also, those who ascended into 'command' positions were more political than knowledgeable. I watched a III% group do training near here, about 25 or so, and the bunch I associate with would have utterly destroyed those boys. Saw the same with others who were training. What has been done around here is that the groups are small and very skilled, and most have acquired that popular Baofeng radio. The various groups periodically do comms, never enough to be tracked, and each group is ready to aid other groups. We are primarily community/neighborhood protection. Those I know in NC, TN, GA, and TX are likewise. As to statewide operations, while the orgs do have a lot of members, at least half will stay with smaller groups and not respond to state calls individually. Nobody trusts the state.
Yeah. I think that a lot of guys get in and it's, at the current time, more of a way for them to show some kind of dominance or to meet some kind of ulterior goals. Hopefully that will change as things become more uncertain. If there's not more coordination then we'll just disintegrate to bands of roving raiders or, in the most noble situations just a smaller local defense force countering raids from people that could have been allies while the NatPols gain control.
I'm all for personal liberty but if that happens we will have no liberty if the NatPols regain control. I get what you mean though. More ambition than knowledge sometimes. I think two things really need to happen. Militias are irregular militias this mean groups who do not see regular kinetic conflict. Most of the leaders I've seen think they're special forces. Chest puffing is awesome but realism saves lives. We need to work up to the special force thing.
The second thing is we need to read up on and learn how to wage effective irregular and asymmetric warfare. Forming regional alliances and running coordinated counter intelligence is the back bone of irregular warfare. one of the reason the VietCong were effective was because a lot of the village leaders and populations in the south were accepting of them. They might have been Buddhist or Catholic but they were Vietnamese first and foremost. That's what made Lawrence of Arabia so effective. He met with local and tribal leaders and pooled resources together with them.
The key to asymmetric warfare is hit and runs sure but it's also force multipliers in the right place. For example using trains and semis to block off sections of town, forming up in effective squads to utilize terrain, placing enough people in the right area at the right time and/or ensuring supply continuity for larger forces by forming hunting parties and economic and diplomatic task forces.
Think about it like this
Irregular- What's the over arching goal(s)?
-Regional Stability
-Alliances
-Proper Training and supply procurement
-Intelligence or Counter-Intelligence
-Insurgency or counter-insurgency
Asymmetric- How do you actually engage a large force?
-Petty Warfare
-Hit-and-run
-Ambush
-Force Multipliers and concentration
-Effective squad composition and tactics
-Disrupting movement and supply lines
Most of the militias are barely looking at how to run Asymmetric War and not how to run a concurrent irregular warfare strategies. Some might but the vast majority are the quintessential weekend warriors. Don't get me wrong the more people in the militias the better but things will go from weekend warrior fun to hardened demoralized raiding bands quickly in SHTF situations.
What strategies to use depends on the opponent though.
Local Cartels and Criminals and/or Anti-Fa/BLM- They're an insurgent group in addition they most likely can't run any concise counter-intelligence. Also with the exception of actual criminal outfits they will most likely have no support in local governments. Though, some states it might be a good idea to speak with community leaders in black communities if they bring BLM into the fold. Additionally they won't be able to take our guns and supplies with threat of law. This would be an issue with the NatPols though. So that means we run a simple;
-Counter insurgent, intelligence operation- Who are their leaders in the area and what are their proclivities? We know most of them are weak willed, drug addicted, fags so we can run smear campaigns. Demonize them more and illustrate our good and righteous cause to the public. It may be a good idea to figure out any local politicians and media types that would support them and get them out of office before any anti-fa steps foot in a red state. I'd even go so far as to frame them for crimes and shit if they can't be moved out of office the legal way.
-Infrastructure Stability-
It seems to me that a huge part of the anti-fa strategy is to enforce pro-Chinese global warming environmental policy that hobbles local economies. There has been anti-fa who HAVE been caught trying to destroy energy infrastructure. I think the issue in Florida and the poison found being put in the Texas water supply by computers are Chinese backed Anti-fa ops. We should really try to hire on to the energy sector and ensure it doesn't collapse with repeated infrastructure attacks by using the militia structure. They've been mostly ineffective but if there's a serious push into red states the frequency will increase at the very least. If younger and/or older militia member with energy sector esxperience hire on to the energy sector we can give accurate information to all local militias. Oakville's power plant and Appleton's (Which is 12 miles away) water plant might under assault with in weeks of each other but if we don't install militia and coordinate we wouldn't know until the power goes out and the water smells green.
I've already made this an essay and I didn't want too. I have more strategies. I don't know if I'll share them out of the need to use them in my neck of the woods though. Not that I don't trust you per say. This is the internet after all. You never know who's looking.
True, you never know. There are some things to consider, parallel or outside your post. Among them is that the truckers already are set to cut cities off. As to LE and the idea of pols being able to take guns, around here the LE has been told (actually, pretty much throughout MO) that if they plan on being LE when TSHTF, they will be shot on sight. In the local agencies, most are carrying civvies with them, because they are on our side. I know of only two in a 50 mile radius who will attempt to enforce.
The words have been spread here that if you belong to a city, Kansas City, Springfield, St Louis, you better stay there and not try to come outside. While it may sound a bit wild west, I have no choice but to warn the creeps off with a couple over-their-heads shots. They're generally chickenshit; they don't know where the shots originate (just about everyone here has a can of one sort or another) but they hear the bullet path. All the people I know locally (25 mile radius) are capable of 500 yard shots, and most outfitted years ago. Also, most are woodsmen and can hide; most will, and any army coming through would suffer badly. We also have a substantial number who are capable with 'field expedient' types of things. In other words, the entire state is locked, excepting the liberal cities.
Some of my group were Nam vets, myself included, and are quite familiar with tactics going well beyond the current 'asymmetric' stuff. We also know that the VC took a very bad hit during Tet 68, when they were inducted into the NVA push. Afterwards, VC were no longer considered viable, and those of us involved in the now have done instructions on exactly that. Your ref to hit and run is good; a sniper or two doing that can effectively control a large area, allowing other tactics to unfold. Some of us have studied the military for decades, including the art of war stuff; we have generally concluded that knowing Tsu is a good thing, since the enemy will be using it, and we can predict their tactics.
Anyway, this is a situ in which Yamamoto's statement is accurate. There WILL be a rifle behind every blade of grass, and no force internal or external will be able to subdue that in the final analysis.
Yeah. Well you guys had that whole McClosky's thing. I'm west Kansas. The only real problem we have out here is the major university towns and Wichita. Even then Wichita is more level headed about it's liberalism. Most people there are logistics and/or manufacturing workers. Everyone there hates having to work 40+ hours a week and then handing it over to the government who then doesn't put it to good use. Generally the younger the person the more liberal they are and they all congregate in the major college towns. Not always but usually. It's just ranches out here. Guns are a tool for us. Out west here we get mountain lions from Colorado sometimes. Coyotes, rapid dogs and then there's small game and stuff. Gun control to us is like telling us we have to put a house frame together but you can't use a hammer or drill to do it. How easy do you think it is to put down a mountain lion with a 22lr you know? Shit. Even the most mild mannered pensioner in the city at least has a pellet gun to stop the birds and rabbits from fucking up her yard. I've seen a mother fucker chase a raccoon with a sling shot. That's just stupid liberals are on some childish Land of the Lost/ Legend of Zelda/Home Alone shit thinking they can stop a mountian lion with a sling shot.
St Louis is a liberal haven. So is KC and likewise Springfield. There's a big area in between, and we value our guns. I think Art I Section 23 MO constitution is affirmation of 2A, and we have the full Castle - out to property lines, stand your ground, and all that. We use it out here. Probably at least half the people I see in town are carrying, open or concealed. No concealed permits now, and local govt cannot override state law. Every one of my neighbors, rancher or otherwise, carries. Personally, I never leave home without, and walking around my property, I usually carry my AR-15. It's scary, ya know :)
BTW, we have a lion roaming around the area killing sheep.
What I noticed was that there was infiltration of the larger groups. Also, those who ascended into 'command' positions were more political than knowledgeable. I watched a III% group do training near here, about 25 or so, and the bunch I associate with would have utterly destroyed those boys. Saw the same with others who were training. What has been done around here is that the groups are small and very skilled, and most have acquired that popular Baofeng radio. The various groups periodically do comms, never enough to be tracked, and each group is ready to aid other groups. We are primarily community/neighborhood protection. Those I know in NC, TN, GA, and TX are likewise. As to statewide operations, while the orgs do have a lot of members, at least half will stay with smaller groups and not respond to state calls individually. Nobody trusts the state.
Yeah. I think that a lot of guys get in and it's, at the current time, more of a way for them to show some kind of dominance or to meet some kind of ulterior goals. Hopefully that will change as things become more uncertain. If there's not more coordination then we'll just disintegrate to bands of roving raiders or, in the most noble situations just a smaller local defense force countering raids from people that could have been allies while the NatPols gain control.
I'm all for personal liberty but if that happens we will have no liberty if the NatPols regain control. I get what you mean though. More ambition than knowledge sometimes. I think two things really need to happen. Militias are irregular militias this mean groups who do not see regular kinetic conflict. Most of the leaders I've seen think they're special forces. Chest puffing is awesome but realism saves lives. We need to work up to the special force thing.
The second thing is we need to read up on and learn how to wage effective irregular and asymmetric warfare. Forming regional alliances and running coordinated counter intelligence is the back bone of irregular warfare. one of the reason the VietCong were effective was because a lot of the village leaders and populations in the south were accepting of them. They might have been Buddhist or Catholic but they were Vietnamese first and foremost. That's what made Lawrence of Arabia so effective. He met with local and tribal leaders and pooled resources together with them.
The key to asymmetric warfare is hit and runs sure but it's also force multipliers in the right place. For example using trains and semis to block off sections of town, forming up in effective squads to utilize terrain, placing enough people in the right area at the right time and/or ensuring supply continuity for larger forces by forming hunting parties and economic and diplomatic task forces.
Think about it like this
Irregular- What's the over arching goal(s)? -Regional Stability -Alliances -Proper Training and supply procurement -Intelligence or Counter-Intelligence -Insurgency or counter-insurgency
Asymmetric- How do you actually engage a large force? -Petty Warfare -Hit-and-run -Ambush -Force Multipliers and concentration -Effective squad composition and tactics -Disrupting movement and supply lines
Most of the militias are barely looking at how to run Asymmetric War and not how to run a concurrent irregular warfare strategies. Some might but the vast majority are the quintessential weekend warriors. Don't get me wrong the more people in the militias the better but things will go from weekend warrior fun to hardened demoralized raiding bands quickly in SHTF situations.
What strategies to use depends on the opponent though.
Local Cartels and Criminals and/or Anti-Fa/BLM- They're an insurgent group in addition they most likely can't run any concise counter-intelligence. Also with the exception of actual criminal outfits they will most likely have no support in local governments. Though, some states it might be a good idea to speak with community leaders in black communities if they bring BLM into the fold. Additionally they won't be able to take our guns and supplies with threat of law. This would be an issue with the NatPols though. So that means we run a simple; -Counter insurgent, intelligence operation- Who are their leaders in the area and what are their proclivities? We know most of them are weak willed, drug addicted, fags so we can run smear campaigns. Demonize them more and illustrate our good and righteous cause to the public. It may be a good idea to figure out any local politicians and media types that would support them and get them out of office before any anti-fa steps foot in a red state. I'd even go so far as to frame them for crimes and shit if they can't be moved out of office the legal way.
-Infrastructure Stability- It seems to me that a huge part of the anti-fa strategy is to enforce pro-Chinese global warming environmental policy that hobbles local economies. There has been anti-fa who HAVE been caught trying to destroy energy infrastructure. I think the issue in Florida and the poison found being put in the Texas water supply by computers are Chinese backed Anti-fa ops. We should really try to hire on to the energy sector and ensure it doesn't collapse with repeated infrastructure attacks by using the militia structure. They've been mostly ineffective but if there's a serious push into red states the frequency will increase at the very least. If younger and/or older militia member with energy sector esxperience hire on to the energy sector we can give accurate information to all local militias. Oakville's power plant and Appleton's (Which is 12 miles away) water plant might under assault with in weeks of each other but if we don't install militia and coordinate we wouldn't know until the power goes out and the water smells green.
I've already made this an essay and I didn't want too. I have more strategies. I don't know if I'll share them out of the need to use them in my neck of the woods though. Not that I don't trust you per say. This is the internet after all. You never know who's looking.
True, you never know. There are some things to consider, parallel or outside your post. Among them is that the truckers already are set to cut cities off. As to LE and the idea of pols being able to take guns, around here the LE has been told (actually, pretty much throughout MO) that if they plan on being LE when TSHTF, they will be shot on sight. In the local agencies, most are carrying civvies with them, because they are on our side. I know of only two in a 50 mile radius who will attempt to enforce.
The words have been spread here that if you belong to a city, Kansas City, Springfield, St Louis, you better stay there and not try to come outside. While it may sound a bit wild west, I have no choice but to warn the creeps off with a couple over-their-heads shots. They're generally chickenshit; they don't know where the shots originate (just about everyone here has a can of one sort or another) but they hear the bullet path. All the people I know locally (25 mile radius) are capable of 500 yard shots, and most outfitted years ago. Also, most are woodsmen and can hide; most will, and any army coming through would suffer badly. We also have a substantial number who are capable with 'field expedient' types of things. In other words, the entire state is locked, excepting the liberal cities.
Some of my group were Nam vets, myself included, and are quite familiar with tactics going well beyond the current 'asymmetric' stuff. We also know that the VC took a very bad hit during Tet 68, when they were inducted into the NVA push. Afterwards, VC were no longer considered viable, and those of us involved in the now have done instructions on exactly that. Your ref to hit and run is good; a sniper or two doing that can effectively control a large area, allowing other tactics to unfold. Some of us have studied the military for decades, including the art of war stuff; we have generally concluded that knowing Tsu is a good thing, since the enemy will be using it, and we can predict their tactics.
Anyway, this is a situ in which Yamamoto's statement is accurate. There WILL be a rifle behind every blade of grass, and no force internal or external will be able to subdue that in the final analysis.
Yeah. Well you guys had that whole McClosky's thing. I'm west Kansas. The only real problem we have out here is the major university towns and Wichita. Even then Wichita is more level headed about it's liberalism. Most people there are logistics and/or manufacturing workers. Everyone there hates having to work 40+ hours a week and then handing it over to the government who then doesn't put it to good use. Generally the younger the person the more liberal they are and they all congregate in the major college towns. Not always but usually. It's just ranches out here. Guns are a tool for us. Out west here we get mountain lions from Colorado sometimes. Coyotes, rapid dogs and then there's small game and stuff. Gun control to us is like telling us we have to put a house frame together but you can't use a hammer or drill to do it. How easy do you think it is to put down a mountain lion with a 22lr you know? Shit. Even the most mild mannered pensioner in the city at least has a pellet gun to stop the birds and rabbits from fucking up her yard. I've seen a mother fucker chase a raccoon with a sling shot. That's just stupid liberals are on some childish Land of the Lost/ Legend of Zelda/Home Alone shit thinking they can stop a mountian lion with a sling shot.
St Louis is a liberal haven. So is KC and likewise Springfield. There's a big area in between, and we value our guns. I think Art I Section 23 MO constitution is affirmation of 2A, and we have the full Castle - out to property lines, stand your ground, and all that. We use it out here. Probably at least half the people I see in town are carrying, open or concealed. No concealed permits now, and local govt cannot override state law. Every one of my neighbors, rancher or otherwise, carries. Personally, I never leave home without, and walking around my property, I usually carry my AR-15. It's scary, ya know :) BTW, we have a lion roaming around the area killing sheep.