Adjacently related, I stay on Facebook for mostly two reasons: (1) to private messaging a few friends & family, and, (2) to observe all of the woke people I personally know who are constantly parroting the propaganda .
The second helps re-assure me that I'm not in an echo chamber when reading conservative news or frequenting forums like this one (i.e., echo chambers that might highlight the lunacy of the Left and magnify it to look worse than reality). Given that > 10% of my Facebook friends have posted woke garbage, with a few prolific woke-ists, it's pretty easy to see that this stuff has infected a great many people I know, that the Leftist ideology is really prevalent, and that I'm not stuck in an echo chamber or captured by "right-wing propaganda".
To your question about what do you say, here's how I've approached similar conversations:
Provide the evidence. Drop some serious truth bombs. Be as brief & concise as you can, at least at first
If they try to swamp you with 3-5 counter arguments, pick their most powerful one, and demolish it.
If you know that you are right but cannot recall the specific facts needed on the spot, don't address that point fully yet, and circle back to it in a later conversation. This maintains your credibility & helps prevent re-enforcing a false narrative they have in their minds (that there is no merit to your claims & that you are stuck in "conservative propaganda")
There's probably a few other tactics that would work well, like the Socratic method.
Right. They're at a stage where they are really dug in and don't want to hear it.
In that case, you probably should start small, be concise, and just plant the seeds of doubt in their minds. Let it fester.
I wouldn't start with the vaccines, people have been drinking the "anti-vaxx people are hurting us all" kool-aid for a few years now (prior to COVID). I'm personally not anti-vaxx on all vaccines, just this experimental "vaccine" in particular, BUT, many people you try to convince likely won't make that distinction (at least if they're caught up in the propaganda/narratives).
On the mask front, you could go into the papers/science which shows their ineffectiveness, that might be too in the weeds for this person.
You might want a simpler, Tom Woods-like approach, of showing people COVID case/death plots, for different cities/states/countries, and ask, when did they implement their mask mandates? Don't give the name of the city for them to look it up right away. They'll most likely predict early on in the rise of the cases, and, their predictions will almost all be wrong. Thus showing, with empirical science, that the mask mandates have no effect on the rise/fall of cases. This doesn't explain why masks don't work, it just shows that the mandates don't have the "intended" effect of slowing the spread.
I put quotes around "intended" because I don't believe that is their true intention, much more cynical about their motivations (i.e., manipulation, division). That's probably too big of pill to swallow initially for them, though.
See here for a sample of Tom Woods' charts/graphs:
Adjacently related, I stay on Facebook for mostly two reasons: (1) to private messaging a few friends & family, and, (2) to observe all of the woke people I personally know who are constantly parroting the propaganda .
The second helps re-assure me that I'm not in an echo chamber when reading conservative news or frequenting forums like this one (i.e., echo chambers that might highlight the lunacy of the Left and magnify it to look worse than reality). Given that > 10% of my Facebook friends have posted woke garbage, with a few prolific woke-ists, it's pretty easy to see that this stuff has infected a great many people I know, that the Leftist ideology is really prevalent, and that I'm not stuck in an echo chamber or captured by "right-wing propaganda".
To your question about what do you say, here's how I've approached similar conversations:
There's probably a few other tactics that would work well, like the Socratic method.
Right. They're at a stage where they are really dug in and don't want to hear it.
In that case, you probably should start small, be concise, and just plant the seeds of doubt in their minds. Let it fester.
I wouldn't start with the vaccines, people have been drinking the "anti-vaxx people are hurting us all" kool-aid for a few years now (prior to COVID). I'm personally not anti-vaxx on all vaccines, just this experimental "vaccine" in particular, BUT, many people you try to convince likely won't make that distinction (at least if they're caught up in the propaganda/narratives).
On the mask front, you could go into the papers/science which shows their ineffectiveness, that might be too in the weeds for this person.
You might want a simpler, Tom Woods-like approach, of showing people COVID case/death plots, for different cities/states/countries, and ask, when did they implement their mask mandates? Don't give the name of the city for them to look it up right away. They'll most likely predict early on in the rise of the cases, and, their predictions will almost all be wrong. Thus showing, with empirical science, that the mask mandates have no effect on the rise/fall of cases. This doesn't explain why masks don't work, it just shows that the mandates don't have the "intended" effect of slowing the spread.
I put quotes around "intended" because I don't believe that is their true intention, much more cynical about their motivations (i.e., manipulation, division). That's probably too big of pill to swallow initially for them, though.
See here for a sample of Tom Woods' charts/graphs:
https://tomwoods.lpages.co/covid-charts-cnn-forgot/