This is big. If it becomes a workers comp issue but the insurance companies back out of covering it (which they should), that leaves the liability on the employer. No way are businesses going to take on that liability.
As businesses are being leveraged by local and state governments to mandate the vax... It's a Catch 22 and it's INTENTIONAL
The lawyers love this shit and so do the people who want to destroy American business enterprise. Just like the shutdown, watch Fortune 500 companies dodge all the pain while small and midsize businesses get sued into oblivion.
Business' yes, what about SCHOOLS AND UNIVERSITIES. I know my kids high school is in full "everyone get the jab" mode right now and I can easily see them trying to require it next fall for all students. Will they be LIABLE??
We need to start calling college admissions offices and asking if they are going to require the vax. If they say yes we make a HUGE stink about how we are not sending our kids there and they are not getting our money.
If hundreds of people around the country start making these calls trust me the admissions office will notice. Only way to get this to stop is with threatening their bottom line.
And, you have a right to object for religious, moral, or ethical reasons under the Civli Rights Act. Said employer would have to make reasonable accommodations such as work from home, etc.
And, they cannot legally require a non FDA approved treatment. These so called vaccines only have emergency use authorization at this point.
I look forward to class action employee lawsuits against any major corporations that attempt to require this poison.
I'll wait for a better source to confirm. ChristiansForTruth is literally a white supremacist media outlet, likely intended to discredit conservatives.
I don't know anything about this source, but here is OSHA's own website that states employers that require the vaccine must report side effects as work place injuries: https://www.osha.gov/coronavirus/faqs#vaccine
"If you require your employees to be vaccinated as a condition of employment (i.e., for work-related reasons), then any adverse reaction to the COVID-19 vaccine is work-related. The adverse reaction is recordable if it is a new case under 29 CFR 1904.6 and meets one or more of the general recording criteria in 29 CFR 1904.7."
Insurance anon here: WC not my specialty, but starting to see articles in subscription trade journals about this. It is not clear yet. I will try and find something that is sharable.
They have redesigned their site since the last time I checked it out to make it a tad more subtle. But yeah, it's not very "Christian" to say the least,.
Even if you believe there is some inherent material superiority in the white races (which as a free-thinker, I don't necessarily discount as a standalone idea), the New Testament is quite clear that "the first shall be last in the Kingdom of Heaven." Furthermore, if you call yourself a Christian and believe in such a superiority (which again, is still material), then you should be placing yourself beneath the so-called "inferior races" to serve and guide them, lovingly.
All of this to say, that if this site isn't just to discredit conservatives (which is still a big if), it's clear from the content that loving others is not their strong suit.
The so-called "white Europeans" are the most socialist, communist, Great Reset-endorsing, cucked group of people on the earth. They conceded to the royalty of Europe instead of fighting them like we did. I have no sympathy for the "white Europeans"; they got what they asked for: mass illegal immigration, mass house arrest and globalist collapse. The "white Europeans" lost their fighting spirit centuries ago.
I would feel more comfortable in 90% Hispanic South Texas than 90% White Sweden, Denmark or Ireland.
On the WC - from what I can tell, in one trade journal:
Employers (ER) need to recognize that if they do impose a vaccination mandate on their employees(EE), they are likely going to 1) pay for it 2) it will be considered compensable work time and 3) medical complications in a mandatory vaccination environment are going to be under WC and be covered.
EEOC & OSHA indicate that an ER can mandate the vaccine - however, from an insurance viewpoint, what is not discussed is that if the ER mandates it as a condition of continued employment, regardless of where the vaccination is obtained it is likely to be considered a compensable injury if the EE suffers a severe reaction.
Also, even if the ER does not mandate but strongly encourages it and the EE suffers injury, that too could be considered a compensable injury in certain states such as California.
It is important to note that all insurance is regulated at the state level so while the rules are fairly similar across the board, the contracts have to be filed and approved for each state. What may be applicable in CA may not be in WI and ultimately it comes down to the language in the policy contract.
This is a very simple explanation as the rules can be very complex. I have noted in a lot of the employment law blogs don't necessarily agree with the views of risk managers on this, but they don't pay out the claims. They tend to focus more on alternatives for work, ADA, religious exemptions, etc.
Side note- there has been discussion in the wellness programs on the offering of incentives to get the jab. The feeling is that and the ER should exercise caution with regards to size. The larger the incentive, the more likely it is to be viewed as coercive. But the safer route is to reconsider offering any type of reward compensation to those EE that get jabbed and instead simply offer information.
So here’s how I think it’ll play out at my work - they know they can’t force the vaccine without butting up against OSHA or being liable for adverse reactions so they do exactly what you’ve been seeing in the news: lift the mask mandate for ONLY vaccinated people.
That leaves me standing there as the only person wearing a mask.
They can’t be sued for peer pressure and that’s why they’re gonna passive aggressive their way into getting what they want. Or after being eye rolled long enough, people like me will see themselves to the door.
This is big. If it becomes a workers comp issue but the insurance companies back out of covering it (which they should), that leaves the liability on the employer. No way are businesses going to take on that liability.
absurd to slough off liability on businesses and make pharms exempt
Of course it is. But corrupt big pharma is too powerful.
This is just leverage against any employer trying to mandate experimental genetic modification.
As businesses are being leveraged by local and state governments to mandate the vax... It's a Catch 22 and it's INTENTIONAL
The lawyers love this shit and so do the people who want to destroy American business enterprise. Just like the shutdown, watch Fortune 500 companies dodge all the pain while small and midsize businesses get sued into oblivion.
Business' yes, what about SCHOOLS AND UNIVERSITIES. I know my kids high school is in full "everyone get the jab" mode right now and I can easily see them trying to require it next fall for all students. Will they be LIABLE??
We need to start calling college admissions offices and asking if they are going to require the vax. If they say yes we make a HUGE stink about how we are not sending our kids there and they are not getting our money.
If hundreds of people around the country start making these calls trust me the admissions office will notice. Only way to get this to stop is with threatening their bottom line.
And, you have a right to object for religious, moral, or ethical reasons under the Civli Rights Act. Said employer would have to make reasonable accommodations such as work from home, etc.
And, they cannot legally require a non FDA approved treatment. These so called vaccines only have emergency use authorization at this point.
I look forward to class action employee lawsuits against any major corporations that attempt to require this poison.
I was just having this conversation with a friend. Thank you for the info!
I'll wait for a better source to confirm. ChristiansForTruth is literally a white supremacist media outlet, likely intended to discredit conservatives.
I don't know anything about this source, but here is OSHA's own website that states employers that require the vaccine must report side effects as work place injuries: https://www.osha.gov/coronavirus/faqs#vaccine
"If you require your employees to be vaccinated as a condition of employment (i.e., for work-related reasons), then any adverse reaction to the COVID-19 vaccine is work-related. The adverse reaction is recordable if it is a new case under 29 CFR 1904.6 and meets one or more of the general recording criteria in 29 CFR 1904.7."
Insurance anon here: WC not my specialty, but starting to see articles in subscription trade journals about this. It is not clear yet. I will try and find something that is sharable.
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Are they? I did not know that. Thanks.
They have redesigned their site since the last time I checked it out to make it a tad more subtle. But yeah, it's not very "Christian" to say the least,.
Even if you believe there is some inherent material superiority in the white races (which as a free-thinker, I don't necessarily discount as a standalone idea), the New Testament is quite clear that "the first shall be last in the Kingdom of Heaven." Furthermore, if you call yourself a Christian and believe in such a superiority (which again, is still material), then you should be placing yourself beneath the so-called "inferior races" to serve and guide them, lovingly.
All of this to say, that if this site isn't just to discredit conservatives (which is still a big if), it's clear from the content that loving others is not their strong suit.
The so-called "white Europeans" are the most socialist, communist, Great Reset-endorsing, cucked group of people on the earth. They conceded to the royalty of Europe instead of fighting them like we did. I have no sympathy for the "white Europeans"; they got what they asked for: mass illegal immigration, mass house arrest and globalist collapse. The "white Europeans" lost their fighting spirit centuries ago.
I would feel more comfortable in 90% Hispanic South Texas than 90% White Sweden, Denmark or Ireland.
No, they just criticize Jews sometimes for things they do; hence, white supremacist.
What's the statute of limitations?
Posting again because I replied to myself...
On the WC - from what I can tell, in one trade journal:
Employers (ER) need to recognize that if they do impose a vaccination mandate on their employees(EE), they are likely going to 1) pay for it 2) it will be considered compensable work time and 3) medical complications in a mandatory vaccination environment are going to be under WC and be covered.
EEOC & OSHA indicate that an ER can mandate the vaccine - however, from an insurance viewpoint, what is not discussed is that if the ER mandates it as a condition of continued employment, regardless of where the vaccination is obtained it is likely to be considered a compensable injury if the EE suffers a severe reaction.
Also, even if the ER does not mandate but strongly encourages it and the EE suffers injury, that too could be considered a compensable injury in certain states such as California.
It is important to note that all insurance is regulated at the state level so while the rules are fairly similar across the board, the contracts have to be filed and approved for each state. What may be applicable in CA may not be in WI and ultimately it comes down to the language in the policy contract.
This is a very simple explanation as the rules can be very complex. I have noted in a lot of the employment law blogs don't necessarily agree with the views of risk managers on this, but they don't pay out the claims. They tend to focus more on alternatives for work, ADA, religious exemptions, etc.
Side note- there has been discussion in the wellness programs on the offering of incentives to get the jab. The feeling is that and the ER should exercise caution with regards to size. The larger the incentive, the more likely it is to be viewed as coercive. But the safer route is to reconsider offering any type of reward compensation to those EE that get jabbed and instead simply offer information.
So here’s how I think it’ll play out at my work - they know they can’t force the vaccine without butting up against OSHA or being liable for adverse reactions so they do exactly what you’ve been seeing in the news: lift the mask mandate for ONLY vaccinated people.
That leaves me standing there as the only person wearing a mask.
They can’t be sued for peer pressure and that’s why they’re gonna passive aggressive their way into getting what they want. Or after being eye rolled long enough, people like me will see themselves to the door.