First post so forgive me if I screw it up. I'm a Canadian living in Ontario. Our provincial government just laid out the guidelines for re-opening. Three stages, that are all dependent on how many people are vaccinated. It's pretty obvious to me what's going to happen next. Either not enough people get vaccinated to meet the criteria or there's a manufactured 4th/5th/6th wave of the virus. Either way, the government has set it up so that whatever happens, the un-vaccinated will take the blame. I'm sure vaccine passports and severe restrictions on un-vaccinated people will follow. I'm mentally and physically preparing for a time when I may not be able to legally leave my house or get access to services. I live in a VERY liberal area. Other than my partner and I, I only know of one other person that hasn't been vaccinated (due to cancer treatment). Does anyone have any advice (from a legal or support perspective) on how to get through this? Canadians are generally a very compliant people and are unaware of the fascist techniques being used on them. Not only do they support the government, they thank them for keeping them safe. I can envision a time where my neighbours, family and friends may become verbally and physically hostile because we're standing in the way of them getting back their freedoms. I trust the plan but it's taking a lot longer than I thought. Sorry for the long post but it feels good to actually type it out. I appreciate any advice you can give.
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There are plenty of "thank you for keeping us safe" sheep here in the US. They practically kissed the asses of TSA agents practicing security theater. Sheep behavior is not unique to Canada by any means.
Maybe the Canadians are not quite so docile if they are only 4% fully vaccinated compared to their 37% fully vaccinated neighbor.
I have relatives in Canada and think about them. A LOT. Praying for all Canadians.
Thanks for your prayers.
The main reason we're not fully vaccinated is due to the incompetence of our federal/provincial governments in rolling them out. At least we have that going for us!
Big government is incompetent. And water is wet!
That is a good point. So far it seems Canadians are hesitant but in general Canadians are more informed about their health care options than most US citizens.
I am Canadian too. I see they gave you the link to the Justice center that is working for us. There are many people in Canada working to stop this. As for the vaccine no matter what they do never get it. There are no new waves of covid as a matter of fact covid is running out what you are seeing in the new waves are the vaccinated getting sick. Unfortunately they are doomed there is no out for those vaccinated and they will use them to turn on you. The vaccinated will mostly die out from 4 months to 2 years after receiving the shots. Those vaccinated no longer have a working immune system and will die the first or second virus they come into contact. That could be a cold the flu any virus will wipe them out they have no protection. The vaccinated are only protected from the original covid which died out long ago. The vaccinated are also creating super strains to keep the sickness going so stay healthy and you will be fine. Hopefully we will not get as far as they want us to go. I am 100% sure all those people who have money and/or mortgage payments are not giving up their assets to the government at that point you will see many people fighting.
They only way I'll get the vaccine is if they physically strap me down and inject me. I do worry about my family and friends but the choice was theirs. Thanks for your response.
My thought... as America goes so will most of the world... Trump is coming back...America is coming back...and will be a different nation... The God-fearing will be vindicated... God is still on the throne... :)
That is my sincere hope and belief. I believe that Q is real. I wish we knew the timing but only God knows what's going to happen and when.
But why is Trump continuing to push these vaccines? I can see why he may have had to do it initially to screw up their plans but I can’t see why he continues to push them to this day? To me the vaccine issue is the scariest issue we are facing right now.
It is a scary issue....but I still believe God is bigger than all of this. I do not know why Trump is allowing this, but I think hindsight we will know. But most importantly, God saw us vote for life...He heard the prayers of the people who went Jan 6 to pray for the Capital and were ambushed and humiliated... He saw this and God will repay... He understands how our bodies work, and what seems hopeless to us, is not hopeless to Him.
Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms www.jccf,ca, rebelnews and true north are best sources of information I know of.
Not that I believe the shit they spew out of their faces https://calgaryherald.com/news/national/canadas-vaccination-pace-moves-to-top-of-pack-but-second-doses-global-aid-slow/wcm/dc76a765-cc42-46d3-9b88-a9589ce037bc
Canada is still well behind on second doses — down in about 64th place globally with only four per cent of the population fully vaccinated now. The U.S. has fully vaccinated 37.5 per cent.>
Thanks for the info. I'll check out the JCCF and the other sources.
Thanks for the detailed reply. I have been to protests and have followed Randy Hillier for a long time. I've been banned from Twitter but you're right, there are more actions I can take.
I've been trying to red pill people for years, especially since the fake pandemic started. The only person I've been somewhat successful with is my 90 year old mother (even though she still got the vaccine). However, she does believe this is a world wide conspiracy. I won't give up trying.
Yes, I think everything you say here is in our future and coming much faster than we can imagine. I'm in Ontario as well, but a smaller conservative city near London. It's definitely more palatable at the moment than Toronto - many smaller shops don't care about the masks and I know quite a few people who will not be taking any vaccines, including my wife, half my co-workers and myself. We can't figure out why people are lining up for it!
Anyhow, there is a class action suit filed in Ontario that I am watching... hopefully it gets some traction.
Not sure what to tell you other than perhaps relocating to a small town or city. Sounds like you might be in Toronto and I do not envy you one bit.
Best of luck.
Relocating would be very difficult but I keep thinking of the Jews in Germany in the 1930's that stayed and lost their lives. Tough decision. I'm glad to hear that the smaller communities in Toronto are not that compliant. I am in Ontario and almost everyone I see (except at the rallies) wear masks (even most of the homeless). It's very depressing. Thanks for your good wishes.
Thanks for your reply. Alberta has been more conservative in the past but the government there is just as bad in some ways. I'm referring to the arrest of the Polish pastor among others. It's hard to determine where to relocate to. The Federal government is just as corrupt so I don't think it's that easy to escape.
Also heard that Alberta is making vax available to minors without parental consent
I think the provinces are using each other as testing grounds for what they can get away with. I'm sure this will spread to the rest of the country. It's child abuse.
Had not heard that, but with all the other craziness, I don't doubt it.
Yes Alberta is comparable to Texas in how conservative it is, and in spite of the gun law difference, comparably armed.
Yes, they voted in a very liberal government but that is not what it appears, the 2 more conservative parties here had each shown themselves corrupt and so it was a protest vote that wound up being poorly timed.
And in Ontario, we have a conservative government which is anything but.
Honest question. Do you think Albertans would use their arms if it got worse? I know we don't have self defence laws like they do in the US and I think it's a crime just to point an unloaded gun at anyone. I don't know a lot of people outside of the big Ontario cities so I'm curious.
Absolutely, the question only comes down to what the line will be.
People are more openly referring to police as Gestapo, and not just the polish pastor, he cemented that analogy in to many.
So, that line may be getting closer than we might think.
Sending love from BC, brother.
Thanks. Right back at you!
Stock up on a lot of long term food supply and water IMO.
Thanks. I've been prepping for years but will monitor events and ramp it up if it starts to get even worse.
Also be prepared to be able to barter with neighbors or have another way to buy things.
They might try to arm twist people into the vaxx if you can't buy essentials.
Living in a city, it's hard to determine who might be willing to assist. People that aren't vaccinated here rarely come forward with that information. I think this will bring out the very best and the very worst in people, so I'll find out who I can trust.
That is why your best course of action is to start talking to people and start to build up a network of people you can trust. Being able to barter for goods for something that you need and what someone else needs may prove to be very important down the line.
Non vaccinated Canadian with you brother. A day will come when we stand up and fight for our charter of rights. Hold the line.
We will need to go a few steps further than that, but agreed.
Thanks for the words of encouragement.
I am a Canadian as well and completely understand your fears. I can see a time in the not so distant future where the vaccinated will turn on us. I hope it doesn’t come to that. I live in a smaller town (Kingston,ON) and it’s no better here. Everyone I know except my sister has been vaccinated. I have a 12 year old I am trying to protect from all this and it’s incredibly stressful. I signed her up for online school because I’m terrified they will vaccinate her without my consent. I told the school board I feel I have to choose between her health or her education. I think a lot more people need to get involved at the local levels. I don’t believe waiting around for Trump to save us is going to work. I have applied for jobs in Florida and would leave in a heartbeat if I could get a job in the U.S. and escape this tyranny. I believe all of our premiers have either been bribed or threatened. I pray everyday that this nightmare ends soon.
It's terrible what is happening. I pray that things work out for you and your child.
I don’t have anything that can help but just wanted to say to you and the rest of our Canadian friends a huge thank you for being in the trenches with us!
Thanks. I appreciate that.
Yes, this situation is getting wild in Canada.
The only real advise is to hold the line. We are entering the point where police are using "just following orders" to violate people's rights, arrest pastors, harrass parents watching their kids play in parks.
This ends in only a few ways:
If your number 1 scenario is true, we're all screwed. However, I believe the good guys will win eventually. The question is how bad does it have to get before the tide turns. Obviously, we're not there yet.
The anger is definitely growing, it just doesn't get the publicity for obvious reasons.
Most haven't even started to fight back.
Canadian as well, though further east than you. Really being crushed by the extra lockdowns as well. They came out of nowhere, with virtually no cases, and still- they keep getting extended and adding on extra rules.
It really makes me scared because it does seem like the vax will be forced. They're not trying to hide it anymore, just like how they're becoming shameless with these lockdowns even in rural places with 0 population density. Just scared where this will end up- especially if they force the vax.
I'm not sure if they will force us to take the vaccine (by law) but they will blackmail and coerce us to take it. To me, it's obvious that they're going to use our friends, families and neighbours to shame us into taking the vaccine. Instead of blaming the government, we will be blamed for withholding everyone's freedoms because of our "selfish actions". I also think they'll make it very difficult for the un-vaccinated to live their lives without major restrictions. I'm trying to work out alternatives based on different scenarios while we have a little time. Hope for the best and plan for the worst. Good luck.
My only hope is that because our government is so incompetent I can’t see them being able to compete my roll out the vaccine passports. That may save us in the end because they will likely screw that up like they did with everything else.
Who would have thought that we'd be thankful for the government being so incompetent!