Let's hear you explain why George Washington, Ben Franklin, Alexander Hamilton, John Hancock, Paul Revere, Robert Treat Paine, James Monroe, Andrew Jackson, Teddy Roosevelt, and so many more great Americans were aCtUaLLy all just a bunch of satanic freemasons...
I'll change my position if you can give a coherent response...
Regardless of what you say and whether you are a shill or just a low level mason no one should trust a word you write. Any organization in which there is no transparency to the public will grow corrupt.
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Especially an organization that seeks power and influence by placing it's people in high positions. An organization that not only has it's own agenda but most of the members carrying out the agenda don't know why they are doing what they are doing.
You use our founding fathers as evidence of the Masons good will. Those men have been dead for over 200 years. We have no idea what kind of men lead the masons now.
You can tell me whatever you want, but I will not believe you. Because you belong to a secret society. No one should trust any organization that keeps it's true beliefs and agenda secret.
Much like what happened to our government, absolute power corrupts absolutely.
The Masons should make all their most secret texts public, as should all secret societies. Otherwise why should anyone trust what you say?
I don't want you to believe me, I want you to do your own research by examining primary sources, which are not secret and are very widely available thanks to the internet.
Next, if you'll humor me, I want you to read through your post and enumerate the logical fallacies and practical inconsistencies in your argument. If you're an honest truth seeker, none of this should be an issue. That has really been my position this entire time—the emotional/illogical stance people automatically resort to when the issue of masonry arises. In my experience, most people are too lazy to do the research themselves, and instead love to parrot secondary interpretations ad infinitum.
In fact, I'll change my position if you could prove to me that our founding fathers were satanists (masonry and satanism don't mix by the way, but don't take my word for it).
If you want me to consider something, consider posting your sources. There is a lot of information out there. So link yours.
Next, if you're any sort of honest, you'll see that my logic is solid. Any system or group that is not subject to public scrutiny will become corrupt. That is as logically sound as it gets. We've seen that principle play out repeatedly throughout history.
I never said the founding fathers were satanists and claiming that I did is manipulative and disingenuous even for a shill like yourself.
The founding fathers were Christians and Deists mostly.
I do believe that Masons today are corrupt and it would not surprise me if they did worship satan. I also believe that due to the stratification of Masonry. Most low level Masons wouldn't haver a clue.
Consider that your dishonest arguments have only served to convince me that I am correct. Never trust a Mason.
Let's hear you explain why George Washington, Ben Franklin, Alexander Hamilton, John Hancock, Paul Revere, Robert Treat Paine, James Monroe, Andrew Jackson, Teddy Roosevelt, and so many more great Americans were aCtUaLLy all just a bunch of satanic freemasons...
I'll change my position if you can give a coherent response...
Regardless of what you say and whether you are a shill or just a low level mason no one should trust a word you write. Any organization in which there is no transparency to the public will grow corrupt. . Especially an organization that seeks power and influence by placing it's people in high positions. An organization that not only has it's own agenda but most of the members carrying out the agenda don't know why they are doing what they are doing.
You use our founding fathers as evidence of the Masons good will. Those men have been dead for over 200 years. We have no idea what kind of men lead the masons now.
You can tell me whatever you want, but I will not believe you. Because you belong to a secret society. No one should trust any organization that keeps it's true beliefs and agenda secret.
Much like what happened to our government, absolute power corrupts absolutely.
The Masons should make all their most secret texts public, as should all secret societies. Otherwise why should anyone trust what you say?
I don't want you to believe me, I want you to do your own research by examining primary sources, which are not secret and are very widely available thanks to the internet.
Next, if you'll humor me, I want you to read through your post and enumerate the logical fallacies and practical inconsistencies in your argument. If you're an honest truth seeker, none of this should be an issue. That has really been my position this entire time—the emotional/illogical stance people automatically resort to when the issue of masonry arises. In my experience, most people are too lazy to do the research themselves, and instead love to parrot secondary interpretations ad infinitum.
In fact, I'll change my position if you could prove to me that our founding fathers were satanists (masonry and satanism don't mix by the way, but don't take my word for it).
If you want me to consider something, consider posting your sources. There is a lot of information out there. So link yours.
Next, if you're any sort of honest, you'll see that my logic is solid. Any system or group that is not subject to public scrutiny will become corrupt. That is as logically sound as it gets. We've seen that principle play out repeatedly throughout history.
I never said the founding fathers were satanists and claiming that I did is manipulative and disingenuous even for a shill like yourself.
The founding fathers were Christians and Deists mostly.
I do believe that Masons today are corrupt and it would not surprise me if they did worship satan. I also believe that due to the stratification of Masonry. Most low level Masons wouldn't haver a clue.
Consider that your dishonest arguments have only served to convince me that I am correct. Never trust a Mason.
Sweet deflection.
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Also, what are the odds that you and u/CL7_ both reply to me within minutes on a dead thread from days ago?
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Coincidence?