explain this to them, i'm not the one who says "lightbringer is bad"
With respect, the problem is that your comments imply that you're conflating Jesus and Satan, even if that wasn't your intention. While "Lucifer" is an improper translation, it is nevertheless considered by many to have been the name of Satan prior to his fall due to its usage in the Latin, and subsequently, English, translations of Isaiah 14:12, as I previously explained.
and yeah, here, some good reading for you
Just skimmed the article. Right off the bat, it claims that Satan is just a myth derived from Mesopotamian mythology, whereas the Word of God clearly states the opposite.
sigh...
i mean i thought that was obvious for you if you joined the conversation
what you consider as the "Word of God"? christian bible, that was rewritten countless times by the countless people over the thousands of years, which you can buy in any shop, available for masses, just like the media?
even in The Old Testament there was no Satan, no big evil, no concept of salvation, which is edited version of the Torah and heavily recommended to be ignored by the church, for some reason
you need to understand, everything you read and know as the "Word of God", what is considered canon by the church, is made up, and the rest is heavily edited
yes, church invented Satan, and they had a lot of data to get inspiration from, yes, church completely stripped Jesus from what he really is and left him only as a martyr, a separate person, yes, modern christianity consists of judaism & paganism 50/50
everything you fear in christianity is encouraged by the church, and don't even think to question something and do your research, you will get them insane
to find the truth, you must learn from different sources and analyze, this is the only way
even if someone will tell you the truth as it is, without analysis you won't understand it
there's a lot of wonderful works, you just need to want to learn
what you consider as the "Word of God"? christian bible
Yes.
that was rewritten countless times by the countless people over the thousands of years, which you can buy in any shop, available for masses, just like the media?
Rewritten countless times? There are thousands of surviving copies of the New Testament, some from as early as the 1st century AD, and for the Old Testament, there are the Dead Sea Scrolls as well as many more recent copies.
Consider this: if the Word was rewritten, why did the Papacy attempt to keep it out of people's hands during the Dark Ages? They were teaching many unbiblical doctrines, as they still do to this day, and didn't want anyone to catch on. Odd that they didn't just rewrite it to reflect their own teachings.
Also, why has there been such an effort throughout the ages to destroy the Bible if it has been and can just be tampered with? With that in mind, the fact that you can just go to a store and purchase a copy nowadays is nothing short of miraculous.
even in The Old Testament there was no Satan, no big evil, no concept of salvation
Literally not true. Satan is mentioned by name in Job, which is traditionally thought to have been the first book in the Bible that was written down. Other places that he's mentioned in the Old Testament include 1 Chronicles, Psalms, and Zechariah. Salvation, as a concept, is also found throughout the Old Testament.
which is edited version of the Torah and heavily recommended to be ignored by the church, for some reason
Not all churches, but many, yes. Again, this goes back to the Papacy not wanting people to read it for themselves.
you need to understand, everything you read and know as the "Word of God", what is considered canon by the church, is made up, and the rest is heavily edited
While many churches teach a variety of doctrines that are incorrect, the integrity of the Word itself has nevertheless been maintained.
church invented Satan
Respectfully disagree. I'm reminded of the quote, "The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist."
and they had a lot of data to get inspiration from
Or, perhaps the stories found in nearly every culture on earth about there being a spiritual battle between good and evil, serpents being associated with evil and/or knowledge, and similar things have a common root, all going back to Eden?
church completely stripped Jesus from what he really is and left him only as a martyr, a separate person
While I can't speak for what every church teaches, the Word is clear that Jesus was and is more than just a martyr.
modern christianity consists of judaism & paganism 50/50
I wouldn't say 50/50, but there are indeed many mainstream teachings that stem from paganism and that consequently have no basis in the Bible.
everything you fear in christianity is encouraged by the church
I have a fear of insects and a fear of heights, neither of which were encouraged by the church I attend.
and don't even think to question something and do your research, you will get them insane
I've actually been encouraged to do my own research, but I know what you're talking about.
to find the truth, you must learn from different sources and analyze, this is the only way
Indeed, researching and determining the truth is paramount. What you've said reminds me of 1 Thessalonians 5:21, "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."
even if someone will tell you the truth as it is, without analysis you won't understand it
Depends on the situation, but even when you understand something well enough from the get-go, taking the time to analyze what you've been told can lead to you understanding it better.
there's a lot of wonderful works, you just need to want to learn
If I didn't have a desire to learn and know the truth then I would've never studied the Bible, history, and many other subjects as I have, and I fully attribute my desire for truth to God.
I appreciate that we've been able to have a respectful discussion. I'll be praying for you, fren.
With respect, the problem is that your comments imply that you're conflating Jesus and Satan, even if that wasn't your intention. While "Lucifer" is an improper translation, it is nevertheless considered by many to have been the name of Satan prior to his fall due to its usage in the Latin, and subsequently, English, translations of Isaiah 14:12, as I previously explained.
Just skimmed the article. Right off the bat, it claims that Satan is just a myth derived from Mesopotamian mythology, whereas the Word of God clearly states the opposite.
sigh...
i mean i thought that was obvious for you if you joined the conversation
what you consider as the "Word of God"? christian bible, that was rewritten countless times by the countless people over the thousands of years, which you can buy in any shop, available for masses, just like the media?
even in The Old Testament there was no Satan, no big evil, no concept of salvation, which is edited version of the Torah and heavily recommended to be ignored by the church, for some reason
you need to understand, everything you read and know as the "Word of God", what is considered canon by the church, is made up, and the rest is heavily edited
yes, church invented Satan, and they had a lot of data to get inspiration from, yes, church completely stripped Jesus from what he really is and left him only as a martyr, a separate person, yes, modern christianity consists of judaism & paganism 50/50
everything you fear in christianity is encouraged by the church, and don't even think to question something and do your research, you will get them insane
to find the truth, you must learn from different sources and analyze, this is the only way
even if someone will tell you the truth as it is, without analysis you won't understand it
there's a lot of wonderful works, you just need to want to learn
Yes.
Rewritten countless times? There are thousands of surviving copies of the New Testament, some from as early as the 1st century AD, and for the Old Testament, there are the Dead Sea Scrolls as well as many more recent copies.
Consider this: if the Word was rewritten, why did the Papacy attempt to keep it out of people's hands during the Dark Ages? They were teaching many unbiblical doctrines, as they still do to this day, and didn't want anyone to catch on. Odd that they didn't just rewrite it to reflect their own teachings.
Also, why has there been such an effort throughout the ages to destroy the Bible if it has been and can just be tampered with? With that in mind, the fact that you can just go to a store and purchase a copy nowadays is nothing short of miraculous.
Literally not true. Satan is mentioned by name in Job, which is traditionally thought to have been the first book in the Bible that was written down. Other places that he's mentioned in the Old Testament include 1 Chronicles, Psalms, and Zechariah. Salvation, as a concept, is also found throughout the Old Testament.
Not all churches, but many, yes. Again, this goes back to the Papacy not wanting people to read it for themselves.
While many churches teach a variety of doctrines that are incorrect, the integrity of the Word itself has nevertheless been maintained.
Respectfully disagree. I'm reminded of the quote, "The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist."
Or, perhaps the stories found in nearly every culture on earth about there being a spiritual battle between good and evil, serpents being associated with evil and/or knowledge, and similar things have a common root, all going back to Eden?
While I can't speak for what every church teaches, the Word is clear that Jesus was and is more than just a martyr.
I wouldn't say 50/50, but there are indeed many mainstream teachings that stem from paganism and that consequently have no basis in the Bible.
I have a fear of insects and a fear of heights, neither of which were encouraged by the church I attend.
I've actually been encouraged to do my own research, but I know what you're talking about.
Indeed, researching and determining the truth is paramount. What you've said reminds me of 1 Thessalonians 5:21, "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."
Depends on the situation, but even when you understand something well enough from the get-go, taking the time to analyze what you've been told can lead to you understanding it better.
If I didn't have a desire to learn and know the truth then I would've never studied the Bible, history, and many other subjects as I have, and I fully attribute my desire for truth to God.
I appreciate that we've been able to have a respectful discussion. I'll be praying for you, fren.