For me it was the mid-70s, I was in the USAF, went thru the Nixon mess, then Carter sold us out to the rageheads in Iran. So the Vietnam war and government fomented race riots and Carter got me to looking harder at things I had been wondering about ever since my government forced school busing on us in '69.
I read, researched what I could back then, realized JFK was corrupt, the whole Bay of Pigs thing stank even upwind for instance. And here in Texas many people knew LBJ was a fraud, he cheated elections and was a liar. We were trying real hard to make sense of the Pentagon Papers then, wondering why our government was lying to jus all.
Anyhow, I/we didn't know 'what' it was, we didn't understand the true nature of the Enemy because we had to run everything down ourselves, reading books and attending lectures, watching world events unfold and trying to piece together the reality. For a long time we thought it was simple personal corruption, not institutionalized corruptions but just criminal individuals.
We tried to get Perot into the White House to turn things around, after the fall of the USSR we thought we could unseat the established political business-as-usual hierarchy and force a return to the honest government operating safely inside the Constitution. Again we did not realize the extent of the corruptions, because even then the media was already the Enemy, already lying and corrupt, no longer a Free Press but we didn't understand how thoroughly it was corrupt. We knew we didn't want Bush or clinton, but we failed to understand that even then we had no real choice in the matter.
I would have to say though that the actual moment I began to wake up was about 1960, I was maybe 6 years old. My Mother's Brother had joined the NAVY before WWII, to get off the farm. His Destroyer was sunk by a German u-boat prior to our entry into the War, a couple months prior to Pearl Harbor. They were doing escort duty, part of the Neutrality Patrol escorting ships to Britain, but FDR had them sailing right up to the Brirtish shores. We were not supposed to be doing that, we were supposed to stop outside the war zones, but did it anyhow. FDR lied to America about that.
Ok, so my Uncle is in our kitchen visiting, came out from San Francisco where he lived. He got to talking about how his Destroyer was sunk before Pearl Harbor, and my Momma told him he was lying. She said FDR would never have lied about that and he must be wrong about when they were sunk. I remember her getting very upset, my uncle was shocked, I was shocked, had not seen my Momma like that before. She was a Yellow Dog democrat, would not hear bad words about FDR...
Later I discovered my Uncle was correct, and I realized FDR had fooled my Momma, probably fooled millions of people. Hmmmmm.
We tried to fight all the known corruptions but it required more ability than we mustered. We simply did not understand the entirety of media was corrupt, and academia, and almost the whole of government. We didn't have the means until the digital age, we needed real time research ability, the internet. We needed instant comms, again the net and phones. Today I can research things in minutes which used to take weeks of reading books you had to get from libraries once you figured out which books you wanted... so for many of us old timers it was slow and painful, we 'KNEW' something was terribly wrong and couldn't quite get our hands on it.
But I knew after Carter that we were in serious trouble, that we were living lies.
Well in full disclosure we didn't know how bad it was, we only knew it was not as it should be, that government did lie and force Societal change artificially.
Yeah JFK was corrupt, I was shocked to come to that realization myself but yeah. I was in third grade music class when the Principal came over the PA and announced JFK was dead, everyone loved JFK right?
He cheated on Jackie even in the Oval Office, he schemed with then abandoned government groups (CIA and other agencies) and Cuban exiles to invade Cuba but backed out last minute, he cheated in the election probably.
JFK was good in a sense, he did love America but seemed to have a funny moral compass or something, his whole family was loony. His dad tried to convince FDR to support hitler instead of Britain, and probably made a deal with the mob to help his son in politics, allegedly in return for help in kicking out Castro so they could casino. Probably.
His brother Teddy 'Swimmer' Kennedy killed Mary Jo, left her to die after he drove his Olds into the water, intentionally ignoring a fire station as he fled the scene because he was drunk. They covered it up.
You have to be a Realist, a logical and thoughtful Citizen. You have to poick your battles and stay committed to living your Life despite the horrors you know exist.
We didn't know as much as we do now, we had to have 'This Timeline' to get the bigger picture, to see more. For instance I wasn't aware of the institutionalized Human trafficking until the later 90s. So I didn't carry as much baggage around for decades as it might seem, but we searched things out because we were mentally agile and strong enough to do so.
Not everyone will understand or be able to grasp the informations when/as they become widely broadcast, that is one of 'our' jobs, to help them as they get hit with it. It is so immense, so all-encompassing many folks will not believe it or be able to cope.
My Faith helps, we trust in God with this all. It truly is Good versus Evil, we know we cannot defeat Evil by ourselves but we can maybe cull some of the human minions doing Evil's bidding.
Have Faith, you are not alone, it just seems that way.
For me it was the mid-70s, I was in the USAF, went thru the Nixon mess, then Carter sold us out to the rageheads in Iran. So the Vietnam war and government fomented race riots and Carter got me to looking harder at things I had been wondering about ever since my government forced school busing on us in '69.
I read, researched what I could back then, realized JFK was corrupt, the whole Bay of Pigs thing stank even upwind for instance. And here in Texas many people knew LBJ was a fraud, he cheated elections and was a liar. We were trying real hard to make sense of the Pentagon Papers then, wondering why our government was lying to jus all.
Anyhow, I/we didn't know 'what' it was, we didn't understand the true nature of the Enemy because we had to run everything down ourselves, reading books and attending lectures, watching world events unfold and trying to piece together the reality. For a long time we thought it was simple personal corruption, not institutionalized corruptions but just criminal individuals.
We tried to get Perot into the White House to turn things around, after the fall of the USSR we thought we could unseat the established political business-as-usual hierarchy and force a return to the honest government operating safely inside the Constitution. Again we did not realize the extent of the corruptions, because even then the media was already the Enemy, already lying and corrupt, no longer a Free Press but we didn't understand how thoroughly it was corrupt. We knew we didn't want Bush or clinton, but we failed to understand that even then we had no real choice in the matter.
I would have to say though that the actual moment I began to wake up was about 1960, I was maybe 6 years old. My Mother's Brother had joined the NAVY before WWII, to get off the farm. His Destroyer was sunk by a German u-boat prior to our entry into the War, a couple months prior to Pearl Harbor. They were doing escort duty, part of the Neutrality Patrol escorting ships to Britain, but FDR had them sailing right up to the Brirtish shores. We were not supposed to be doing that, we were supposed to stop outside the war zones, but did it anyhow. FDR lied to America about that.
Ok, so my Uncle is in our kitchen visiting, came out from San Francisco where he lived. He got to talking about how his Destroyer was sunk before Pearl Harbor, and my Momma told him he was lying. She said FDR would never have lied about that and he must be wrong about when they were sunk. I remember her getting very upset, my uncle was shocked, I was shocked, had not seen my Momma like that before. She was a Yellow Dog democrat, would not hear bad words about FDR...
Later I discovered my Uncle was correct, and I realized FDR had fooled my Momma, probably fooled millions of people. Hmmmmm.
https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/2019/01/24/sinking-the-uss-reuben-james/
We tried to fight all the known corruptions but it required more ability than we mustered. We simply did not understand the entirety of media was corrupt, and academia, and almost the whole of government. We didn't have the means until the digital age, we needed real time research ability, the internet. We needed instant comms, again the net and phones. Today I can research things in minutes which used to take weeks of reading books you had to get from libraries once you figured out which books you wanted... so for many of us old timers it was slow and painful, we 'KNEW' something was terribly wrong and couldn't quite get our hands on it.
But I knew after Carter that we were in serious trouble, that we were living lies.
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Well in full disclosure we didn't know how bad it was, we only knew it was not as it should be, that government did lie and force Societal change artificially.
Yeah JFK was corrupt, I was shocked to come to that realization myself but yeah. I was in third grade music class when the Principal came over the PA and announced JFK was dead, everyone loved JFK right? He cheated on Jackie even in the Oval Office, he schemed with then abandoned government groups (CIA and other agencies) and Cuban exiles to invade Cuba but backed out last minute, he cheated in the election probably.
Among other things, yeah.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/12/16/22176920/jfk-stolen-1960-election-chicago-illinois
JFK was good in a sense, he did love America but seemed to have a funny moral compass or something, his whole family was loony. His dad tried to convince FDR to support hitler instead of Britain, and probably made a deal with the mob to help his son in politics, allegedly in return for help in kicking out Castro so they could casino. Probably.
His brother Teddy 'Swimmer' Kennedy killed Mary Jo, left her to die after he drove his Olds into the water, intentionally ignoring a fire station as he fled the scene because he was drunk. They covered it up.
You have to be a Realist, a logical and thoughtful Citizen. You have to poick your battles and stay committed to living your Life despite the horrors you know exist.
We didn't know as much as we do now, we had to have 'This Timeline' to get the bigger picture, to see more. For instance I wasn't aware of the institutionalized Human trafficking until the later 90s. So I didn't carry as much baggage around for decades as it might seem, but we searched things out because we were mentally agile and strong enough to do so.
Not everyone will understand or be able to grasp the informations when/as they become widely broadcast, that is one of 'our' jobs, to help them as they get hit with it. It is so immense, so all-encompassing many folks will not believe it or be able to cope.
My Faith helps, we trust in God with this all. It truly is Good versus Evil, we know we cannot defeat Evil by ourselves but we can maybe cull some of the human minions doing Evil's bidding.
Have Faith, you are not alone, it just seems that way.
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Thank you for being willing to use your own Mark One Human Brain....
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what a story,....thank you oldtimer