"Christ abides in each person as his potential perfection. Jesus Christ, the embodiment of all divine ideas, exists eternally in the Mind of Being as the only begotten Son of God, the "Messiah" or "anointed one," and is the living Principle working in man."
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Jesus isn't in everybody. The bible tells us that satan is the god of this world / age. Jesus CAN be in you, as will be the Holy Spirit, if you become a believer. It's easy enough to do, if you can humble yourself. That seems to be the biggest hurdle for a lot of people. "God, I don't even know if You exist, but if You do, I want to know. I want to know the truth. Please reveal Yourself to me." Said in all sincerity and humbleness, that little prayer is all it takes. I invite you to ask Him to reveal Himself to you.
Thank you gobby, I think that the dogma that Christ is not part of all mankind is a missing of the mark of the Christian religion. All mankind is the creation of God, therefore all mankind has the seed of God in them, they are the creation of the creator. I do agree with you though, that there is a birth involved, a realization that they are Children of God. Thanks for your reply.
Christians have been saying that for a long time. What if it is a false doctrine. What if Christ (not Jesus) is the creation of God and in all mankind, but dormant in most. Christ not recognized is Christ not birthed and living in the individual, but the potential is there. Jesus actually fully proved Christ in action all the way to ascending to the Father, that is why He is living principle,,,,,,,he is alive now and active in the believer, and knocking at the door of the unbeliever.
Jesus is the Christ. Look, I would have an honest discussion with you about this if I believed you were sincere. You remind me of a lot of people I've known (even been one myself at one time) and the sort of person Paul and others repeatedly, repeatedly warn about. People who like to talk, and philosophize and use fancy language and enjoy hearing themselves speak, but essentially are clueless.
Who isn't clueless when talking about God? I don't think your opinion would be valuable to the OP anyway, as the OP is clearly someone who thinks for himself. Personally, I believe you aren't "getting it" when you read the Bible. The book is a riddle. Those who fear God too much won't be able find that out. God wants you to find the Truth, not cower in fear of him, pretending to never question anything.
The OP is way closer to correct. I'm working on ways to show the world what the Bible is really trying to say. It's probably not for you. There were no big fancy words in the OP, so I don't know why you accused him of being fancy. But since you never realized that the Bible is telling us a lot about the universe itself, basically describing quantum physics, some fancy words might be required.
Btw the Bible contradicts itself often. You probably shouldn't completely chain your mind down on the subject just cuz you think Paul told you to. There's a Great Awakening happening. I had just never considered it fancy, until now. :)
Awesome, thanks
I've been a disciple of Jesus Christ for 40 years.
Sorry, I don't think you are. Now maybe I'm wrong and maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying, but you implied that Jesus is/was not the Christ. If that is your take on things, then I would say you are not a disciple of Christ.
Jesus is our big brother. Jesus walked the perfect walk, was crucified for it, arose from the dead, and is at the right hand of the Father as king of heaven at this very moment. At this very moment the living Jesus Christ is at work in the church, you and me. I enjoy talking about our Lord, please keep pressing.
Big brother? You Mormon?
No, I don't know their doctrine, don't really care, Jesus Christ is our big brother according Hebrews chapter 2. "He is not ashamed to call us brothers".
I don't believe we're on the same page. He is not my big brother, nor yours. He is God. Period. Yes, He is lovely and someone you can lean on, as you might do a big brother, but imo, you diminish Him greatly by saying that. I don't see any point in continuing this conversation.
Oh, I was quoting a Bible verse,
Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,
12 Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.
What blinds? Doctrine, dogma. I don't see.................What rules you?
I know EXACTLY what you mean OP,
Ive posted lots of similar info here. It's not received too well on this board, save for a few open minded.
Voat used to be a much better board for these truths.
Christ isn't a person, it's a mental state, like Nirvana.
Jesus/Yeshua achieved that state of mind. Many others have over the years too.
Jesus was Essene (essence) and they strived to reach this level of enlightenment.
We have our own heavens:
Metaphysical meaning of heaven (rw) heaven--The Christ consciousness; the realm of Divine Mind; a state of consciousness in harmony with the thoughts of God. Heaven is everywhere present. It is the orderly, lawful adjustment of God's kingdom in man's mind, body, and affairs.
Jesus, of all those claiming intimate acquaintance with spiritual things, gave heaven definite location. "The kingdom of God is within you" (Luke 17:21). Heaven is within every one of us; a place, a conscious sphere of mind, having all the attraction described or imagined as belonging to heaven. But this kingdom within is not material, it is spiritual.
heaven and earth--Two states of mind, the ideal and the manifestation. According to Revelation 21:1 we are to have new ideals with manifestations in the earth to correspond.
God visioned two planes of consciousness, the heaven and the earth, or more properly, "the heavens and the earth." One is the realm of pure ideas; the other, of thought forms. Heaven is the orderly realization of divine ideas. Earth is the manifestation of these ideas.
heaven, firmament of--The consciousness of Truth that has been formulated and established.
heaven, restoration to--Faith in Spirit and the ultimate dominance of the good in all men will finally restore man to the heavenly consciousness from which he descended.
https://www.truthunity.net/rw/heaven
Yup.
The true gospel that Jesus proclaimed was that 'the kingdom of heaven is near/within'
The temple of God isn't a building, it's between your 2 temples. Your mind. Your minds eye/third eye.
Jesus told us to have a single eye, not 2 eyes. 2 = dualistic state, a house divided against itself. It can not stand. Its the tower of Babel that collapses into chaos.
If you want to get all crazy, there are 7 chakras (churches, lamps, etc as described in the Bible)
The lower 5 are earth the upper 2 are heaven.
The lowest of the 5 is the pit of hell (burning in the groin/sex driven)
David walked along a stream and picked up 5 SMOOTH STONES. (Uncut and prefect vs man made bricks of tower of babel)
He killed goliath, struck him in the 3rd eye and cut off his head (removed his crown)
All 7 chakras are described in this allegory about how to master your mind by perfecting the lower 5 levels of consciousness, which is VERY hard to do, the hardest is mastering and defeating death that is sex, the serpents hex aka saturn and the black cube, juxtaposed to the clear cube in the crown of the mind that is the new jerusalem
The living principle living in man is a cool idea. Jesus Christ ascended to the heavens, and is at work in man, as perfect man, alive and well, governing with a true government.
So dogmatic Christians will not allow Christ to be working in all mankind, because it is not according to the doctrine they have been taught. I get a -1 with no reply, man up, say your piece.
Yes. I think people are very fearful of God right now. Because the short-term prospects of apocalypse have increased, so people want to make sure God knows that their faith is unwavering.
Funny thing, they basically think they can trick God into thinking their faith is higher than it really is. If not, they wouldn't be dogmatic.
Good news, there is no apocalypse, and I mean that as end times doctrine. We are going to have to see this thing through, God is not going to fix it for us. This world is our responsibility as Sons of God. We are manning up.
Yes, we should be trying to avoid the apocalypse. Not using it as an excuse for inaction.
Maybe each life has an apocalypse, I don't see one happening to end this age on the actual planet. New heaven and new earth happen all the time.
Have you contemplated the possibility that China and the US government have colluded to attack the western world with a bioweapon? What happens if you just follow that trend? What's next? I could see that trend getting pretty apocalyptic pretty easily. I hope you have a plan to avoid it.
Yes, governments do some wack stuff and use Satan to do it.
Satan, sa'-tan (Heb.)--lier in wait; an adversary; an enemy; hater; accuser; opposer; contradictor.
The same as the Devil, the Adversary, the Evil One, and the like (Job. 1:6-12; Matt. 4:10).
Meta. The deceiving phase of mind in man that has fixed ideas in opposition to Truth (adversary, lier in wait, accuser, opposer, hater, an enemy). Satan assumes various forms in man's consciousness, among which may be mentioned egotism, a puffing up of the personality; and the opposite of this, self-deprecation, which admits the "accuser" into the consciousness. This "accuser" makes man believe that he is inherently evil.
Satan is the "Devil," a state of mind formed by man's personal ideas of his power and completeness and sufficiency apart from God. Besides at times puffing up the personality, this satanic thought often turns about and, after having tempted one to do evil, discourages the soul by accusing it of sin. Summed up, it is the state of mind in man that believes in its own sufficiency independent of its creative Source.
Rebellion against God under hard experiences is another form of this "hater." The personality that disbelieves in God and acknowledges no law save that of man is satanic.
When the seventy returned, saying, "Lord, even the demons are subject unto us in thy name," Jesus said, "I beheld Satan fallen as lightning from heaven" (Luke 10:17, 18).
Heaven is conscious harmony. When this harmony is invaded by a thought adverse to the divine law, there is Satan, and "war in heaven." When the Christ declares the Truth, error thought falls away; that is, Satan falls from heaven as lightning.
Lightning is a force that gathers and explodes and wastes its energy because it is not in harmony with the universal equilibrium. This well illustrates the mind that believes itself an independent and unrelated creation. When this kind of thought is allowed full sway in a man's consciousness, he becomes so egotistical and self-opinionated that he destroys himself. Thus error is its own destruction.
The Greek word that is translated "devil" in Luke 4:1-13 means accuser or the critical one. Personality describes the meaning more fully than any other word in the English language.
Saul, saul (Heb.) asked for; desired; demanded; wished.
a A Benjamite, son of Kish. He was the first king of Israel (I Sam. 9:2). b The former name of Paul (Acts 9:118).
Meta. The action of the will in attaining that which it desires.
https://www.truthunity.net/mbd/satan
The book of Revelation is about the revealing of Jesus Christ government in each individual, a personal apocalypse so to speak.
I recommend this guy for a study of it.
https://www.godfire.net/eby/